Quote from fenn68 on December 8, 2019, 9:46 am

Padres have given up a few PTNL / Cash Considerations in the last few deals. PTNL will be a current non-roster player (max lag time I think is 6 months) but seems as though they are just waiting for the Rule 5 to pass.

The acquiring team does not want to accept a player that they could lose via Rule 5 and if the Padres lose that player they go to the second option or that always popular Cash Considerations.

So maybe we should be think the PTNL will be a Rule 5 eligible minor leaguer?

Quote from Brian Connelly on December 8, 2019, 10:13 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 8, 2019, 9:46 am

Padres have given up a few PTNL / Cash Considerations in the last few deals. PTNL will be a current non-roster player (max lag time I think is 6 months) but seems as though they are just waiting for the Rule 5 to pass.

The acquiring team does not want to accept a player that they could lose via Rule 5 and if the Padres lose that player they go to the second option or that always popular Cash Considerations.

So maybe we should be think the PTNL will be a Rule 5 eligible minor leaguer?

Suspect you're right that 1 or 2 of the 3 will be in this category; decent prospects who there was no room on 40-man for.

But other category is usually list of very young non-prospects the other team watches all year & picks one; org depth types.

Quote from fenn68 on December 8, 2019, 12:12 pm

Quote from Brian Connelly on December 8, 2019, 10:13 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 8, 2019, 9:46 am

Padres have given up a few PTNL / Cash Considerations in the last few deals. PTNL will be a current non-roster player (max lag time I think is 6 months) but seems as though they are just waiting for the Rule 5 to pass.

The acquiring team does not want to accept a player that they could lose via Rule 5 and if the Padres lose that player they go to the second option or that always popular Cash Considerations.

So maybe we should be think the PTNL will be a Rule 5 eligible minor leaguer?

Suspect you're right that 1 or 2 of the 3 will be in this category; decent prospects who there was no room on 40-man for.

But other category is usually list of very young non-prospects the other team watches all year & picks one; org depth types.

true but the 6 month time limit to make the call on the PTNL might make that less likely in these situations ... decision would be May give or take ... not sure a lot to evaluate competing options more than their scouts know now.

Probably sitting with a list of 8 to 10 options and have their minor league scouting folks debating them while waiting for the Rule 5 to pass.

Quote from onlypads on December 8, 2019, 2:47 pm

I keep wondering whether keeping Myers this year makes sense.  Unloading him next year should be easier and we may even sell higher on him at that time.  Currently, as a limited platoon with Naylor / Cordero (RF) and Hosmer he offers decent production (initially I used the word value, which clearly doesn't apply haha).  I really don't mind our options right now.  It is weird to say, but think I am fine if no additional moves are made. I think we have accomplished a few things: (1) gained some proven production / OBP; (2) acquired some upside; and (3) have not mortgaged our future for a temporary window.  I think we made ourselves more competitive now and in the future. I really don't mind letting some of these pieces play / develop.  Unless of course, the FO honestly views Stras as an option. Then obv. Myers would need to be moved.

That being said, we should have grabbed Stroman last year.  He would have been a great bridge and the acquisition price was low at the time imo.

If we were to do something, Gray still seems like a decent move to me. Feel like he slots somewhere between 2-4 and is a better option than L or Q at minimum.  In addition, he will be helpful next year once Richards moves to FA.  The move allows us to maximize the 2020-21 seasons without a payroll anchor.  I imagine we will make another move or two next offseason when development is even more defined.

Quote from Brian Connelly on December 8, 2019, 4:07 pm

Quote from fenn68 on December 8, 2019, 12:12 pm

Quote from Brian Connelly on December 8, 2019, 10:13 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 8, 2019, 9:46 am

Padres have given up a few PTNL / Cash Considerations in the last few deals. PTNL will be a current non-roster player (max lag time I think is 6 months) but seems as though they are just waiting for the Rule 5 to pass.

The acquiring team does not want to accept a player that they could lose via Rule 5 and if the Padres lose that player they go to the second option or that always popular Cash Considerations.

So maybe we should be think the PTNL will be a Rule 5 eligible minor leaguer?

Suspect you're right that 1 or 2 of the 3 will be in this category; decent prospects who there was no room on 40-man for.

But other category is usually list of very young non-prospects the other team watches all year & picks one; org depth types.

true but the 6 month time limit to make the call on the PTNL might make that less likely in these situations ... decision would be May give or take ... not sure a lot to evaluate competing options more than their scouts know now.

Probably sitting with a list of 8 to 10 options and have their minor league scouting folks debating them while waiting for the Rule 5 to pass.

Aha... didn't know about that 6 month rule.  Still could be lower tier guys, but obviously going to finish these trades before ST I would think so guys can start getting devloped in new team's systems

Quote from BoosterSD on December 9, 2019, 10:23 am

Not sure about the pieces, and I know how difficult 3 team trades are to choreograph. I wonder if there is some way that CHC, KC, and SD make it work where SD gets is TOR and Myers contract gone, CHC gets its salary relief, and KC gets some prospects that propel their rebuild.

SD gets Darvish and Contreras

CHC gets Merifield

KC gets Myers, and some money and prospects both from CHC and SD.

Darvish had a nice bounce back year so SD gets TOR SP(?) for same money as Myers and big stick in C.

CHC saves about $16-18M this season alone and gets Merifield that have openly stated is their desire.

KC has very little money on the books, and prospects and money to offset Myers.

Quote from fenn68 on December 9, 2019, 2:31 pm

Is WASH now a potential landing spot for Myers and/or Hedges?

World Champs ... just spent a ton to resign Strasburg to keep the SP staff in tact ... 2020 is about $31MM UNDER the luxury tax level (before Kendrick is added in) ... will play to win but now has some real holes in the everyday line-up with Rendon (3B) and Zimmerman (1B) both FA.

They resigned Kendrick but at 36 he is more a part time 1B/2B/3B option that an everyday regular. So they have gaping holes at 1B - 2B - 3B with only a bet on top prospect Kieboom being ready. The Suzuki behind the plate is not all the good defensively and behind him????

Add that a number of FA will lower their payroll after 2020.

IF the Padres are not greedy and want ML players in return (WASH is NOT that deep now at the ML level) ... can they be creative to moving Myers (1B) with France (3B), plus some pitching prospects to clear Myers' contract? Maybe squeeze Hedges into the deal?

Quote from JasonE135 on December 9, 2019, 5:17 pm

Why would Washington want to spend $20 million on Myers when they are only $31 million from the luxury tax limit? They could go cheap and get better production from 1 or 2 guys for $5-$10 million. If they want to go expensive they will re-sign Rendon.

Quote from fenn68 on December 9, 2019, 5:59 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on December 9, 2019, 5:17 pm

Why would Washington want to spend $20 million on Myers when they are only $31 million from the luxury tax limit? They could go cheap and get better production from 1 or 2 guys for $5-$10 million. If they want to go expensive they will re-sign Rendon.

They wouldn’t unless the Padres added some piece(s) they want (need) to fill other near and longer term needs. The tax issue will be less of an issue in 2021 and even less in 2022.

Long shot.