Quote from JasonE135 on October 6, 2019, 10:52 pm

Quote from TatisJr on October 6, 2019, 10:21 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on October 6, 2019, 9:09 pm

I don't want to make any trade for any short term player. I have discovered that I am part of a very small minority on this site who feel that way. Everyone is insisting that the team WILL do something HUGE this off season to save AJ's job. I do not happen to agree but I am a little tired of arguing. If we have to do something, that was something I wouldn't commit suicide over. But it is in no way something that I actually want. I am fine waiting long enough for our young talent to mature into a contender, THEN making 1 or 2 trades to get us into the WS with a chance to win. The playoffs mean nothing to me if the team loses in the first round or Wild Card game. But like I said, I am in the minority. Patience does not exist here.

Jason, again you are going to the extreme with your take here. There are guys like Brian, Mr. P, myself and others who think it’s important for the Padres to improve and be competitive in 2020. We think it’s important to start building a winning culture. That doesn’t mean we want to sacrifice core building blocks for the future like Gore, Patino, TT and Campusano. IMO AJP is the best GM the Padres have had in my 30 years of being a fan. I like his player evaluation skills and his general baseball philosophy. I want AJP in the GM chair for a very long time. That said, professional sports is a results based business and you need to show results. Fenn and other posters  have preached patience for years and even they post about using certain young talent in trades to improve the club. You only get 40 guys on a roster and in some areas like LHSP the Padres are overloaded and can use help in other areas. I don’t think any poster here just wants to make playoffs and not win a WS, but to win a WS...you gotta get in the dance. The Padres haven’t been close to sniffing the dance since 2010.  The thought of Gore, Paddack and Patino is the most excited I’ve been about a future Padres rotation. Tatis and Machado are legit young stars. However, I’m also not content watching losing baseball until 2022 and I doubt ownership will be understanding of AJP if that’s the case.

I wasn't talking about you then Mr. Tatis. I have seen so many people DEMAND that we do something HUGE this off season. I was talking about them. Yes we need to move forward but we need to do it carefully. Not trading the future for the present.

Quote from BoosterSD on October 6, 2019, 11:44 pm

I dont get to listen to local press about SD since I live her in PHX. So, the only input I get on Padre baseball is the web and XM. The reason I have suggested a big move is many outlets believe that SD will be true players in a big move. I understand that we are not a huge money market team, and that we need prospects to come through in order for us to maintain where we want to be. With that being said, we will need to use some of our prospects strategically to get in a better place, whether it is to get rid of Myers and his salary or to get a better option in the OF that what we currently have.

Where most of here have an issue is the value of certain prospects. Which leads to these debates that we have, and for the most part I enjoy. Its always good to chat Padres.

Quote from JasonE135 on October 7, 2019, 12:25 am

All I want for Christmas this year is a LHH outfielder with a plus BA/OBP and average power and defense. If he also plays CF that can be my gift for next year too. I am not asking for the world.

Quote from WindsorUK on October 7, 2019, 2:19 am

Wasn't Brantley available this time last year? The rich get richer......

Quote from fenn68 on October 7, 2019, 7:52 am

From a couple of comments from at least one of the local media (don’t recall who) .... Preller has a “no trade” list of about 10 (ML and MiL) ... no idea who the 10 are.

If we consider Preller’s comments from the past .... they would be the young “elite” players / prospects since those are the types needed to become a sustained winning team. As much as the organization wants to win in 2020-21 ... no indication they will compromise the longer view. Not considering Machado and Hosmer, the no trade starts likely starts with Tatis and Paddack ... then moves to the Gore, Patino, Trammell, Abrams .. that is six then the others may be more an internal assessment than any list such as MLB Pipeline.

I expect the ones Preller is willing to deal is not a list of players he wants to deal ... and all are prioritized so who gets dealt is a function of the return (obviously).

Still that allows for some Top 100 prospect types (and near Top 100) in play regardless how we may view those prospects. Should be easy to construct the best package of prospects to get a deal done since other teams may not be as motivated to move their prospects. Mixed with some of the ML roster who will be in play because of their low ceiling / shorter control ... yet useful for teams with different objectives can get an upgrade for the Padres (short run / long run).

Simply the Padres have the ML/Mil assets (more than most other teams would put in play) to construct a compelling package of both quality and quantity without utilizing their “elites”. Still it will be a function of the return as to the mix of who gets moved ... we probably will not agree on the cost / return.

I do think they will TRY to go big (with some limits) while at the same time working on incremental upgrades. Of course, BIG may be a bit subjective. Hopefully the criteria for BIG is quality not how much salary or prospect levels needed to secure the player. Pretty sure a lot of the BIG targets are really not available (at any common sense level) ... but Preller will make the call.

Quote from Brian Connelly on October 7, 2019, 10:41 am

considering Machado and Hosmer, the (approximately 10, per Preller) no trade guys likely starts with Tatis and Paddack ... then moves to the Gore, Patino, Trammell, Abrams .

Agreed.  The "problem" I see is that of our 6 top 100 prospects... which are the capital for major trades... we have AT LEAST our top 3 as "No touch".   It's conceivable X. Edwards & Campusano are also on this list, but even if they and Abrams aren't, NONE of those 3 are"MLB" ready.  Campusano needs a year @ AA, Edwards has < 1/2 year @ A+, and Abrams 2 games at low A.... value of Abrams & Edwards limited by distance from MLB.

While our system remains one of the best & deepest out there, because we are counting on our top 3 prospects to contribute in MLB in 2020 (just like 2019 not incl Gore: Tatis, Urias, Paddack), it's not as "strong" as we perceive it to be:  1 top 50 guy entering 2nd season; 1st of full season ball.  2 top 51- 100:  Edwards too far from MLB & 35-40 power limits value.  AND only 3 "50" grade guys now:  Morejon, Baez, Weathers.  Campusano IS a great prospect....

...but I'm guessing that after the 9th guy = Andres Munoz, the 10th might be one of Campusano or Mejia.

Bottom line:  Even though I was "Mr. Trade for an Elite SP" last season, I feel FA is the better avenue this year specifically for SP.  Look for Pads to deal from next tier; quantity prospects/cheaper role player MLB guys for quality MLB... OF?

Quote from MrPadre19 on October 7, 2019, 11:09 am

This may be obvious but our best bet is to find a top OF or SP from a team that won't contend for at least 2 more seasons so our prospects who are more than 1 year away will still entice them.

A Mancini from Balt or Boyd from Detroit as examples.

BTW Mancini hits LH and RH equally well with a .363 OBP against RH and .365 against LH pitching.

While he is certainly the kind of player a team like Balt would like to build around if they can trade him for 3 or 4 prospects who could contribute in the next couple seasons they may be crazy not to consider it.

If there was a team that could use some pitching its the Orioles....Naylor/Morejon/Bolanos?

The Orioles have plenty of young outfielders and are grooming Ryan Mountcastle to play 1b...plus there's still the Chris Davis issue.

The more I type this the more I think there best bet is to get a haul for this kid.....see below.

 

https://lastwordonbaseball.com/2019/04/28/future-trey-mancini-baltimore-orioles/

 

Quote from JasonE135 on October 7, 2019, 12:01 pm

Okay Mr. Padre, Trey Mancini looks like an awesome target. I would prefer a LHH, but if he can hit RH pitchers he is just as good. The only thing that worries me is that whole "face of the franchise" thing. He may be expensive, but if we can make it work we definitely should. We could use the leadership too.

Quote from fenn68 on October 7, 2019, 12:25 pm

Always hard to tell what the Baltimore front office thinks ... maybe more the ownership.

As for Mancini, he can hit (actually better on the road than at home) .... has 3 years control .... at league minimum entering ARB 1 for 2020. That is the good.

On the other hand he is a terrible OF ... no arm or range ... makes Naylor a gold glover type. Baltimore has been moving him to 1B (even with Davis still around).

So, big time bat but is he closer to the Naylor - Reyes AL profile than a NL plus player? Agree that he would require some real prospect capital.