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#851 · December 4, 2019, 11:24 am
Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 4, 2019, 8:46 amQuote from Brian Connelly on December 4, 2019, 8:29 amJason, Fenn, Henry et al: Take me with a grain of salt, b/c I'd love to improve the OF... it's basically one of 2 "needs" left. And you know I'm fixated on TOR SP, so I'm just frustrated b/c I feel like Pads are getting close to fielding a very complete team with an entirely reasonable MLB payroll, but owners may not allow the payroll needed to do it... see "Priorities" Thread....
I feel like there is a fundamental top down flaw in the approach of targeting Ex. Conforto but not a TOR SP (I'm assuming you guys mean none of the top 5 available FA): Most on this board are saying Pads goal for 2020 is to reach .500 but playoff contention not realistic. If that is true, WHY should we invest so heavily by TRADE in not cheap 2 year control OF like Conforto or Marte?
Basically expending trade assets for 1 "possible" year of contention in 2021 that will be extremely reliant on young SP (assuming Richards leaves in FA)... at least 1 SP of whom would have been traded in all 3 of your proposals, but presumably not replaced externally by an upgrade?
I get the logic behind a trade for a longer control guy like Merrifield, but creating other roster holes to sign a good everyday OF without addressing the need for SP makes no sense to me?
If I was AJ arm I would
1) Get Contreras from Cubs +$5mil proj arb Luxury, but OK at "right" price... might be too high. Wonder if they would take Hedges' elite defense back with a lot more of course.
2) Go for Broke on Strasburg (price is steep but he blows the window WIDE OPEN.. 5/175 structure deal so $10 mil for 2020
YES! But I can't see any way to get 1st year anywhere near that low. Agree should be low at beginning & end of contract, peak in years 2-4. I might seriously add a 7th year to gain more flexibility... 7/200!?!? 20/35/35/35 (player opt out)/30/25/20
Could "flip" Zach Davies to create a little more payroll room & backfill trades out
3) Get that lefty bat (low cost $$ guy) Mazara/
Comfortotype $5 mil Conforto too expensive, Mazara "meh" to me unless his splits are through the roof. In-between $, but just sign Corey Dickerson to 2/15 projected, but as 6/9?4) do whatever I need to do to get Myers entire deal off (or at least $45 mil of it..kicking in $15) Yup. Long control "MLB" SP most "bang for buck" for Pads: top prospects "no touch", lesser prospects not "worth" that much in $$ in trade. Would not include any player/prospect in deal not netting back at least 5 MM (i.e. don't include 5 minor prospects @ 1 MM each, etc)
#1 #3 and #4 would require a lot.. So to get all 3 done say we need 10 players/specs.(obviously + Myers). So use Joey + Cantillo + Weathers + Morejon (All are LHSP) + Quantrill + Naylor + France + Mejia + Arias + Ornelas (or their equivalent)
Arias would be the 1 prospect of all these I would hate to lose.... can see a day where he's at SS, Tatis is at 3B or LF if (when) Machado opts out. LHSP would want to keep at least 1-2 of them so Gore not only LHSP in system. Less important, but Naylor does back up Hosmer, potential cheap replacement next year if Hosmer underperforms (again) and becomes a salary dump candidate like Myers this year.
Payroll added $20 mil ..Payroll dumped $20 mil roughly +/- a few mil
Thank you!! We're on exactly the same wavelength, except you're way more optimistic than I am, and think of prospects more like "nickels", where I see them maybe more as "quarters" 🙂 Don't see how to get Stras @ 10 MM next year (or "only" 175 MM), but it is all theoretically do-able!! My comments in color added to your post...
#852 · December 4, 2019, 11:26 am
To be clear I would like to add Merrifield for 2B but having a tough time putting a value on him for a deal.
Merrifield has great value at age 30. Last 3 years WAR at 2.8-5.2-2.9 / wRC+ at 105-119-110. His contract going forward is a true bargain at $5MM - $6.750MM - $2.750MM for the next 3 years (club option for a 4th at $10.5MM).
Pushing a bit against any team paying for the past is that some of the more advanced metric (apparently) are showing noticeable erosion of things such as speed, etc. and couple that with very few teams are actually looking for (and are willing to pay premium) for a 2B. Some of his projections have him dropping in WAR/wRC+ for 2020.
Meanwhile KC ... given he is a fan favorite and dirt cheap ... are not motivated to move him. So, no idea what gets KC to change their position of no trade baring an "overpay" by SD.
Worth the call by Preller unless he has made the call ... got zero traction from KC ... and that is why he moved on Profar.
#853 · December 4, 2019, 12:05 pm
Apparently Toronto needs starting pitching and is having trouble convincing free agents to come North of the border.
Do they have anything of interest to us say in return for Quantrill or Morejon or even Lucchesi?
It would seem they will have to find arms via trade.
#854 · December 4, 2019, 12:12 pm
Quote from MrPadre19 on December 4, 2019, 12:05 pmApparently Toronto needs starting pitching and is having trouble convincing free agents to come North of the border.
Do they have anything of interest to us say in return for Quantrill or Morejon or even Lucchesi?
It would seem they will have to find arms via trade.
I’d like Lourdes Gurriel!
#855 · December 4, 2019, 12:28 pm
Quote from MrPadre19 on December 4, 2019, 12:05 pmApparently Toronto needs starting pitching and is having trouble convincing free agents to come North of the border.
Do they have anything of interest to us say in return for Quantrill or Morejon or even Lucchesi?
It would seem they will have to find arms via trade.
In Toronto’s case they have payroll space ... are have some quality young prospects ... could use young SP .... hmmm
A better case of them taking Myers (and his contract) coupled with prospect pitching than getting anything of quality back from them (not moving a blossoming young cheap star like Gurriel).
Actually Myers in Toronto ... a hitter paradise where the ball flys out ... might actually deliver a lot. Myers (LF) - Naylor (1B with Smoak a FA) - Quantrill (keep the Canadian connection) as a basis for taking Myers’ contract ... don’t need a anything back. Throw in a Bolanos if needed?
#856 · December 4, 2019, 12:38 pm
So far, AJ has traded for a LHH LF/CF and a reliable innings-eating SP, and he has signed a 2B. Weren’t those our only TRUE needs for 2020? AJ has done what he has to already this offseason. Now he will do what he can. I expect 1 big move for the rest of this offseason. I don’t think anyone, even AJ, has any idea what it is going to turn out to be. I think AJ will make 8-10 Major trade proposals for major players/stars at the Winter Meetings. He will make an offer for Merrifield, Conforto, Marte, Gray, Syndergaard, Boyd and maybe even Betts and Bryant. He will gauge prices, weigh probabilities, and likely cut it down to 3 or 4 that he will actively pursue. Whoever he ends up with is who we will get as our major offseason acquisition.
I don’t think he has $30 million to spend. He has filled our major holes with passable but unexciting replacements. He CAN go into next year with a complete team just how it is. So he doesn’t absolutely NEED any specific person at any specific position. He can take a major upgrade for the rotation, any OF position, 2B or even C. He can wait for whoever shows him a price that he is willing to pay.
1 major trade, 1 Star, we take him at whatever position we can get him.
#857 · December 4, 2019, 12:45 pm
Quote from TatisJr on December 4, 2019, 12:12 pmQuote from MrPadre19 on December 4, 2019, 12:05 pmApparently Toronto needs starting pitching and is having trouble convincing free agents to come North of the border.
Do they have anything of interest to us say in return for Quantrill or Morejon or even Lucchesi?
It would seem they will have to find arms via trade.
I’d like Lourdes Gurriel!
Me too... OF/IF solved between he and Profar they can handle LF/2B and back up SS
#858 · December 4, 2019, 1:27 pm
How About this -- (remember Blue Jays have 3 open slots on the 40 right now as well)
Elvis Luciano (19yr old- pitched in Toronto -went from A ball to MLB) + Lourdes Gurriel Jr (UT) and Cavan Biggio 2B/1B/RF
FOR
Myers + Q + Naylor + Edwards + Weathers + Morejon + Bolanos + France
Deal jumpstarts Blue Jays Window by a yr or 2 earlier.. Only piece that is super valuable to them is Biggio, but they get higher upside Edwards (better fit for their upcoming (2yr away) Window)-- Q + Weathers + Morejon and Bolanos give Jays a very solid core of SP and BP arms.. Naylor Offense should play well in Canada and Myers in that stadium could go 35-35-35
#859 · December 4, 2019, 1:30 pm
Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 4, 2019, 1:27 pmHow About this -- (remember Blue Jays have 3 open slots on the 40 right now as well)
Elvis Luciano (19yr old- pitched in Toronto -went from A ball to MLB) + Lourdes Gurriel Jr (UT) and Cavan Biggio 2B/1B/RF
FOR
Myers + Q + Naylor + Edwards + Weathers + Morejon + Bolanos + France
Deal jumpstarts Blue Jays Window by a yr or 2 earlier.. Only piece that is super valuable to them is Biggio, but they get higher upside Edwards (better fit for their upcoming (2yr away) Window)-- Q + Weathers + Morejon and Bolanos give Jays a very solid core of SP and BP arms.. Naylor Offense should play well in Canada and Myers in that stadium could go 35-35-35 and France upgrades 3B for Jays
Biggio has power/OBP to dream on at 2B or RF,, can also back up 1B.. sort of solves COF/2B all by himself long term.. Profar and Gurriel Jr can virtually play all of the other 7 positions (except C).. sort of nice flexiblity
#860 · December 4, 2019, 1:50 pm
Quote from MrPadre19 on December 4, 2019, 12:05 pmApparently Toronto needs starting pitching and is having trouble convincing free agents to come North of the border.
Do they have anything of interest to us say in return for Quantrill or Morejon or even Lucchesi?
It would seem they will have to find arms via trade.
Nothing that they'd give up.