Quote from BoosterSD on December 5, 2019, 10:43 am

MrP, may like this idea from Jim Bowden on The Athletic. He had an article that predicts one move for each team at the Winter Meetings. His for SD was Patino for Haniger from SEA, straight up. He does have 3 years of control, but for Patino? Not sure.

Quote from fenn68 on December 5, 2019, 11:37 am

Quote from BoosterSD on December 5, 2019, 10:43 am

MrP, may like this idea from Jim Bowden on The Athletic. He had an article that predicts one move for each team at the Winter Meetings. His for SD was Patino for Haniger from SEA, straight up. He does have 3 years of control, but for Patino? Not sure.

Trade for Haniger ... yes. Trade Patino for Haniger ... no (and probably don't need to pay that much).

Haniger should be expected to return healthy for his 2019 problem and would add offense ... but keep in mind he is not a good defensive player (I am OK with that) so not talking super star. Not a real big market for corner OF so price should be depressed a bit.

Note that Seattle just deal the defensively challenged catcher (but one that can hit) and with 3 years control for very little in a market that wants catching.

Padres would have to have a plan to jettison some OF or they are just creating a bigger crowd.

IF Seattle would take a pitching prospect for Haniger .... probably go with Lawson or Bolanos (or both). If one, use Olivares as the second player in the deal. Alternatively, trade them Renfroe and Bolanos or Lawson if they think the 3 years of Haniger is that much of an upgrade.

Quote from BoosterSD on December 5, 2019, 12:04 pm

Not sure what SEA has/needs/wants for Catcher after trading away Narvarez, wonder if Renfroe/Hedges/Bolanos or Lawson for Haniger would work out?

Haniger career WAR - 10.7 and projected MLBTR arb salary is $3M

Renfroe career WAR - 6.2 and projected MLBTR arb salary is $3.4M

Hedges career WAR - .9 and projected MLBTR arb salary is $2.9M and we have Mejia.

So SD would get a better offensive RFer, SEA gets a better defensive RFer, and top notch C, and a controllable SP. SD saves $3.5M and SEA gets more HR potential in Renfroe and with having the DH, can live with the lack of bat from Hedges.

Quote from JasonE135 on December 5, 2019, 1:24 pm

Just FYI, Seattle has no need for a C at this point. They traded Narvaez because they have a rookie C that just came up last year by the name of Tom Murphy. He is and always has been a premium, almost Hedges level defensive C. He has also hit .250 with 28HR and a .795OPS in 456 AB at the major league level. He is the C that every team in baseball should pray for. They have no need for Hedges.

I am not extremely excited about Hanigar. Plus offense with bad defense makes Narvaez a good comp for  Hanigar. That means a Lawson or Bolanos level return. If they want a lot more, AJ should just keep walking.

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 5, 2019, 1:34 pm

I think Haniger would be a good get but agree if they are interested in trading him we could come up with a package that doesn't include Patino.I do admit to being one who prefers the "known" major league player over the "unknown" prospect...even if it is a top guy like Patino.

Because there have been hundreds upon hundreds of Patinos that never amounted to even a player of Hanigers' level.

But, in this case I think we have enough other prospects that we could use to still get the deal done and not have to include any of our top 5.

Then again,there's still the chance one of our "non top 5's" still becomes a better major league player than Patino(Kluber ring any bells?) .....but you gotta trust the scouts I guess.

 

 

 

 

Quote from fenn68 on December 5, 2019, 2:21 pm

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 5, 2019, 1:34 pm

I think Haniger would be a good get but agree if they are interested in trading him we could come up with a package that doesn't include Patino.I do admit to being one who prefers the "known" major league player over the "unknown" prospect...even if it is a top guy like Patino.

Because there have been hundreds upon hundreds of Patinos that never amounted to even a player of Hanigers' level.

But, in this case I think we have enough other prospects that we could use to still get the deal done and not have to include any of our top 5.

Then again,there's still the chance one of our "non top 5's" still becomes a better major league player than Patino(Kluber ring any bells?) .....but you gotta trust the scouts I guess.

 

 

 

 

I put the prospects into two categories ... the elite All-Star potential that the Padres NEED to succeed if they plan to move in the playoffs in the future and don't know which one will develop. Can't justify moving them for a short term boost when not likely to contend. Since I don't know if it is Gore or Patino will develop into a TOR but to win at least one has to ... so have to hedge my bet and keep both at this point. Put the Abrams, Edwards, Campusano in that camp.

The second group are still very good prospects ... and desirable by other teams ... but maybe their realistic ceiling is a regular / bench option but not All-Star ... deal from that deck. Sure, somewhere in that is the next Kluber ... a marginal prospect that turns it around but that can't put the GM into paralzias or nothing will ever get done.

At the point the Padres are deep into contending for a World Series ... this view would (could) change if the right add materialized. Now ... not ready to move any of the elites.

Agree ... have to rely on you scouts and evaluations and accept being wrong sometimes.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 5, 2019, 2:45 pm

Quote from fenn68 on December 5, 2019, 2:21 pm

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 5, 2019, 1:34 pm

I think Haniger would be a good get but agree if they are interested in trading him we could come up with a package that doesn't include Patino.I do admit to being one who prefers the "known" major league player over the "unknown" prospect...even if it is a top guy like Patino.

Because there have been hundreds upon hundreds of Patinos that never amounted to even a player of Hanigers' level.

But, in this case I think we have enough other prospects that we could use to still get the deal done and not have to include any of our top 5.

Then again,there's still the chance one of our "non top 5's" still becomes a better major league player than Patino(Kluber ring any bells?) .....but you gotta trust the scouts I guess.

 

 

 

 

I put the prospects into two categories ... the elite All-Star potential that the Padres NEED to succeed if they plan to move in the playoffs in the future and don't know which one will develop. Can't justify moving them for a short term boost when not likely to contend. Since I don't know if it is Gore or Patino will develop into a TOR but to win at least one has to ... so have to hedge my bet and keep both at this point. Put the Abrams, Edwards, Campusano in that camp.

The second group are still very good prospects ... and desirable by other teams ... but maybe their realistic ceiling is a regular / bench option but not All-Star ... deal from that deck. Sure, somewhere in that is the next Kluber ... a marginal prospect that turns it around but that can't put the GM into paralzias or nothing will ever get done.

At the point the Padres are deep into contending for a World Series ... this view would (could) change if the right add materialized. Now ... not ready to move any of the elites.

Agree ... have to rely on you scouts and evaluations and accept being wrong sometimes.

That's the Padres view... Now for the other team that is trading a proven stud..say Contreras .. We want a player that has the potential of being a CY winner within 5 yrs or 2 future All Stars since we know prospects don't always pan out... As far as we know Bolanos and/or Lawson could be the Next Cole or Stras and Gore and Patino could be Dylan Bundy and out of the league in 3 yrs..

Quote from JasonE135 on December 5, 2019, 3:48 pm

Hanigar is not a stud. He is good but not worth Patino. On prospect lists Patino is equal to Trammell. Trammel cost us a top 100 prospect and premium hitter who cannot field Ie-Hanigar equivalent. Plus, Trammell was on the downswing while Patino is on the upswing.

We should not be trading for anyone who will cost us Patino. He is gold right now.

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 5, 2019, 4:17 pm

Haniger has been limited due to injury.

I would suggest to not judge him on last year..... but “next” year and the one after that.

I would still prefer a way to get him that doesn’t include Patino.....but anyone outside of the Padres “fandom” would think Haniger is worth Patino and more.

Of course all that matters is what AJ thinks......maybe we will find out.