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What about Margot, Hedges, and Lucchesi/Cal for Clint Frazier and Jonathan Loiasiga? Upside for us.  Fill holes for them on the cheap (defensive catcher, ML SP, and CF) so that they can pursue TOR.  I don't believe those three players help us contend.  I think Clint and Jonathan make us better now and in the future, clears money, and frees up roster spots.

Dont know enough about the pitcher, but not really that enthused about Frazier. He seems like Renfroe that cant field as well as Renfroe. Plus it would only save SD about $4.4M. I  think those players can better used either in house or for getting someone better than Frazier.

You certainly could be right.  We are giving up a lot; I don't love the trade I proposed.  However, Frazier is a legit ML bat and Jonathan has filthy stuff and has TOR upside IMHO.  I also don't believe we are getting ML talent for our under-performing ML players (as a general principle / unless in unique acquiring team payroll scenarios)

I think Margot has a lot of value tbh.. Also Hedges.. But say AJP wanted Contreras from Cubs.. A Hedges + Joey + Morejon package would be about right with maybe a lotto ticket low A ball spec coming with Contreras to us...

Yeah. What to do with Meija then? Trade chip? I can work with Torrens and Contreras as backstops.

I honestly don't see Morejon being a starter with our rotation in 20 or 21 and he has value as a trade chip. So I am all for that.  I also wonder if Meija is Contreras in development so not sure giving up trade chips is worth it.

Mejia was like the best offensive C in baseball from the AS break on..almost... Obviously his framing /D etc aren't quite there but if we acquired a Contreras or Sanchez it might make more sense to include Mejia vs Hedges.. If however we keep Mejia and Hedges ia indeed the one traded .. I can see 60/40 new guy/ Mejia split.. With Mejia getting 8 more starts at DH when we play away games.. And say its 60 games at C,  8 DH, 50 in LF.. (Total 118g/450 ABs) He could be an excellent platoon LF with Renfroe and a perfect backup for the C working on continued improvement without compromising the team.. C was by far our worst position in 2019 all of them vombined for a dismal .627 OPS.. So improving the Offense from the C position should be a priority .. Mejia could offer that by himself but do we sacrifice too much D in return and offset most of the O with negative value on D? Not sure what the break even /more beneficial overall line is here.. Why Contreras makes too much sense not to pursue that

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What about Margot, Hedges, and Lucchesi/Cal for Clint Frazier and Jonathan Loiasiga? Upside for us.  Fill holes for them on the cheap (defensive catcher, ML SP, and CF) so that they can pursue TOR.  I don't believe those three players help us contend.  I think Clint and Jonathan make us better now and in the future, clears money, and frees up roster spots.

Dont know enough about the pitcher, but not really that enthused about Frazier. He seems like Renfroe that cant field as well as Renfroe. Plus it would only save SD about $4.4M. I  think those players can better used either in house or for getting someone better than Frazier.

You certainly could be right.  We are giving up a lot; I don't love the trade I proposed.  However, Frazier is a legit ML bat and Jonathan has filthy stuff and has TOR upside IMHO.  I also don't believe we are getting ML talent for our under-performing ML players (as a general principle / unless in unique acquiring team payroll scenarios)

I think Margot has a lot of value tbh.. Also Hedges.. But say AJP wanted Contreras from Cubs.. A Hedges + Joey + Morejon package would be about right with maybe a lotto ticket low A ball spec coming with Contreras to us...

Yeah. What to do with Meija then? Trade chip? I can work with Torrens and Contreras as backstops.

I honestly don't see Morejon being a starter with our rotation in 20 or 21 and he has value as a trade chip. So I am all for that.  I also wonder if Meija is Contreras in development so not sure giving up trade chips is worth it.

Mejia was like the best offensive C in baseball from the AS break on..almost... Obviously his framing /D etc aren't quite there but if we acquired a Contreras or Sanchez it might make more sense to include Mejia vs Hedges.. If however we keep Mejia and Hedges ia indeed the one traded .. I can see 60/40 new guy/ Mejia split.. With Mejia getting 8 more starts at DH when we play away games.. And say its 60 games at C,  8 DH, 50 in LF.. (Total 118g/450 ABs) He could be an excellent platoon LF with Renfroe and a perfect backup for the C working on continued improvement without compromising the team.. C was by far our worst position in 2019 all of them vombined for a dismal .627 OPS.. So improving the Offense from the C position should be a priority .. Mejia could offer that by himself but do we sacrifice too much D in return and offset most of the O with negative value on D? Not sure what the break even /more beneficial overall line is here.. Why Contreras makes too much sense not to pursue that

Contreras doesn't possess great D though either I thought.

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For sure Houston is notorious and a bit slimy - they openly tanked and asked their fans to endure multiple 100 loss seasons to get better draft picks.  Sign-stealing, signing Osuna and comments made by their top officials has cast them in a negative light and certainly not "America's team".

Beyond Tucker and Alvarez, who are already on the team, their only top prospect is Whitley, who was supposed to be the best SP prospect in the minors but has yet to show he's going to be better than Gore or Patino, for that matter, in my opinion.  They do get McCullers back and are counting on Urquidy to round out the rotation with the aging vets Verlander and Greinke, 37 and 36 years old respectively in 2020.  If Verlander and Greinke hold up, probably good for at least one or two more years but an area of concern.

For position players, you highlight the problem with Gurriel already 35 years of age.  Probably try to get Alvarez to move to 1st and hope Tucker develops.  Have to re-sign Correa to pair with Bregman and hope Altuve continues to star as he moves into his 30's.  Since both Alvarez and Tucker hit from the left side, Springer is probably the OF they will target to re-sign.  Catching is bad.  Overall, if money becomes tight, they will have to make some moves but they have less trade capital to do it with and probably face other impediments from MLB.

I agree that LAA and Tex will be in the hunt to press them but Oak is a wild-card.  Not sure what you had in mind to take advantage of the deep Padre farm system, but we could move some young arms and catching and INF depth if someone of greater value interests us.  Which players are you targeting or have interest in?

 

 

I suspect that LAA, OAK, TEX will all want to have improved 2021 rosters but also strength beyond that to sustain their advantage as Houston fades away ... so could go both ways on who they want and who they would deal. Of course that is the same profile I have for the Padres.

So the fits may be engineered with "excess" for "excess" whether they are ML players or prospects. Not that familiar with the "needs" of OAK and TEX ... and may know more after FA for TEXAS but clearly:

LAA needs a lot of ML ready SP even if they sign Cole, upgrade at catcher, and probably 3B. An OF of Upton / Trout / Adell-Goodwin with Otani at DH and Simmons at SS is a strong core with Pujols still around for 1B. Padres have SP to move (Quantrill, Lucchesi, Bolanos) that is ML ready and low cost long control plus "excess" catching. As mentioned before that sets-up prying loose a very talented LHH OF in Marsh who was successful in AA last season.

TEX is open to moving Mazara (not my favorite) but an immediate plus LHH bat for a corner OF slot .. good for 2 years I think.

Since dealing to improve the Padres near term and long term fits objectives .... and Preller is really good and dealing marginal short term assets for quality prospects (see Tatis, Paddack, Naylor) ... I would go that route with "eager" teams using those "excess" marginal ML assets. Of course, if I could use those same assets in deals to get near term upgrades ... that may take first priority.

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What about Margot, Hedges, and Lucchesi/Cal for Clint Frazier and Jonathan Loiasiga? Upside for us.  Fill holes for them on the cheap (defensive catcher, ML SP, and CF) so that they can pursue TOR.  I don't believe those three players help us contend.  I think Clint and Jonathan make us better now and in the future, clears money, and frees up roster spots.

Dont know enough about the pitcher, but not really that enthused about Frazier. He seems like Renfroe that cant field as well as Renfroe. Plus it would only save SD about $4.4M. I  think those players can better used either in house or for getting someone better than Frazier.

You certainly could be right.  We are giving up a lot; I don't love the trade I proposed.  However, Frazier is a legit ML bat and Jonathan has filthy stuff and has TOR upside IMHO.  I also don't believe we are getting ML talent for our under-performing ML players (as a general principle / unless in unique acquiring team payroll scenarios)

I think Margot has a lot of value tbh.. Also Hedges.. But say AJP wanted Contreras from Cubs.. A Hedges + Joey + Morejon package would be about right with maybe a lotto ticket low A ball spec coming with Contreras to us...

Yeah. What to do with Meija then? Trade chip? I can work with Torrens and Contreras as backstops.

I honestly don't see Morejon being a starter with our rotation in 20 or 21 and he has value as a trade chip. So I am all for that.  I also wonder if Meija is Contreras in development so not sure giving up trade chips is worth it.

Mejia was like the best offensive C in baseball from the AS break on..almost... Obviously his framing /D etc aren't quite there but if we acquired a Contreras or Sanchez it might make more sense to include Mejia vs Hedges.. If however we keep Mejia and Hedges ia indeed the one traded .. I can see 60/40 new guy/ Mejia split.. With Mejia getting 8 more starts at DH when we play away games.. And say its 60 games at C,  8 DH, 50 in LF.. (Total 118g/450 ABs) He could be an excellent platoon LF with Renfroe and a perfect backup for the C working on continued improvement without compromising the team.. C was by far our worst position in 2019 all of them vombined for a dismal .627 OPS.. So improving the Offense from the C position should be a priority .. Mejia could offer that by himself but do we sacrifice too much D in return and offset most of the O with negative value on D? Not sure what the break even /more beneficial overall line is here.. Why Contreras makes too much sense not to pursue that

Contreras doesn't possess great D though either I thought.

He improved greatly in 2019.. Especially his framing... With that said Mejia post AS .305/.355/.511 .866 OPS can he do that or hell 280/330/450 ??? Cause that would be top Offense from C position ..

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What about Margot, Hedges, and Lucchesi/Cal for Clint Frazier and Jonathan Loiasiga? Upside for us.  Fill holes for them on the cheap (defensive catcher, ML SP, and CF) so that they can pursue TOR.  I don't believe those three players help us contend.  I think Clint and Jonathan make us better now and in the future, clears money, and frees up roster spots.

Dont know enough about the pitcher, but not really that enthused about Frazier. He seems like Renfroe that cant field as well as Renfroe. Plus it would only save SD about $4.4M. I  think those players can better used either in house or for getting someone better than Frazier.

You certainly could be right.  We are giving up a lot; I don't love the trade I proposed.  However, Frazier is a legit ML bat and Jonathan has filthy stuff and has TOR upside IMHO.  I also don't believe we are getting ML talent for our under-performing ML players (as a general principle / unless in unique acquiring team payroll scenarios)

I think Margot has a lot of value tbh.. Also Hedges.. But say AJP wanted Contreras from Cubs.. A Hedges + Joey + Morejon package would be about right with maybe a lotto ticket low A ball spec coming with Contreras to us...

Yeah. What to do with Meija then? Trade chip? I can work with Torrens and Contreras as backstops.

I honestly don't see Morejon being a starter with our rotation in 20 or 21 and he has value as a trade chip. So I am all for that.  I also wonder if Meija is Contreras in development so not sure giving up trade chips is worth it.

Mejia was like the best offensive C in baseball from the AS break on..almost... Obviously his framing /D etc aren't quite there but if we acquired a Contreras or Sanchez it might make more sense to include Mejia vs Hedges.. If however we keep Mejia and Hedges ia indeed the one traded .. I can see 60/40 new guy/ Mejia split.. With Mejia getting 8 more starts at DH when we play away games.. And say its 60 games at C,  8 DH, 50 in LF.. (Total 118g/450 ABs) He could be an excellent platoon LF with Renfroe and a perfect backup for the C working on continued improvement without compromising the team.. C was by far our worst position in 2019 all of them vombined for a dismal .627 OPS.. So improving the Offense from the C position should be a priority .. Mejia could offer that by himself but do we sacrifice too much D in return and offset most of the O with negative value on D? Not sure what the break even /more beneficial overall line is here.. Why Contreras makes too much sense not to pursue that

Contreras doesn't possess great D though either I thought.

He improved greatly in 2019.. Especially his framing... With that said Mejia post AS .305/.355/.511 .866 OPS can he do that or hell 280/330/450 ??? Cause that would be top Offense from C position ..

The more I think about it no way AJP loses out on the Meija upside.  Imagine the backlash for trading him too early? He still has skin in the game on that trade and needs him to produce.  Aren't M and C redundant?

I really like the idea of Hedges + Allen as a trade chip -- only because I don't think he will be satisfied as a second option and Camp is on the way -- but think they should be packaged among other big pieces for a desperate need, a long-term, all-star upside / proven OF or TOR upside SP.

More than satisfied with: (1) Mejia; (2) Torrens; and (3) Camp / Hunt for the future.

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Hedges won't be satisfied with the second option and hasn't earned the first option. He's given enough interviews while performing abysmally to show he's high on his own farts through the catching metrics and thinks he could hit .000 and be productive.

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What about Margot, Hedges, and Lucchesi/Cal for Clint Frazier and Jonathan Loiasiga? Upside for us.  Fill holes for them on the cheap (defensive catcher, ML SP, and CF) so that they can pursue TOR.  I don't believe those three players help us contend.  I think Clint and Jonathan make us better now and in the future, clears money, and frees up roster spots.

Dont know enough about the pitcher, but not really that enthused about Frazier. He seems like Renfroe that cant field as well as Renfroe. Plus it would only save SD about $4.4M. I  think those players can better used either in house or for getting someone better than Frazier.

You certainly could be right.  We are giving up a lot; I don't love the trade I proposed.  However, Frazier is a legit ML bat and Jonathan has filthy stuff and has TOR upside IMHO.  I also don't believe we are getting ML talent for our under-performing ML players (as a general principle / unless in unique acquiring team payroll scenarios)

I think Margot has a lot of value tbh.. Also Hedges.. But say AJP wanted Contreras from Cubs.. A Hedges + Joey + Morejon package would be about right with maybe a lotto ticket low A ball spec coming with Contreras to us...

Yeah. What to do with Meija then? Trade chip? I can work with Torrens and Contreras as backstops.

I honestly don't see Morejon being a starter with our rotation in 20 or 21 and he has value as a trade chip. So I am all for that.  I also wonder if Meija is Contreras in development so not sure giving up trade chips is worth it.

Mejia was like the best offensive C in baseball from the AS break on..almost... Obviously his framing /D etc aren't quite there but if we acquired a Contreras or Sanchez it might make more sense to include Mejia vs Hedges.. If however we keep Mejia and Hedges ia indeed the one traded .. I can see 60/40 new guy/ Mejia split.. With Mejia getting 8 more starts at DH when we play away games.. And say its 60 games at C,  8 DH, 50 in LF.. (Total 118g/450 ABs) He could be an excellent platoon LF with Renfroe and a perfect backup for the C working on continued improvement without compromising the team.. C was by far our worst position in 2019 all of them vombined for a dismal .627 OPS.. So improving the Offense from the C position should be a priority .. Mejia could offer that by himself but do we sacrifice too much D in return and offset most of the O with negative value on D? Not sure what the break even /more beneficial overall line is here.. Why Contreras makes too much sense not to pursue that

Contreras doesn't possess great D though either I thought.

He improved greatly in 2019.. Especially his framing... With that said Mejia post AS .305/.355/.511 .866 OPS can he do that or hell 280/330/450 ??? Cause that would be top Offense from C position ..

The more I think about it no way AJP loses out on the Meija upside.  Imagine the backlash for trading him too early? He still has skin in the game on that trade and needs him to produce.  Aren't M and C redundant?

I really like the idea of Hedges + Allen as a trade chip -- only because I don't think he will be satisfied as a second option and Camp is on the way -- but think they should be packaged among other big pieces for a desperate need, a long-term, all-star upside / proven OF or TOR upside SP.

More than satisfied with: (1) Mejia; (2) Torrens; and (3) Camp / Hunt for the future.

Agree ... move Hedges and Allen if you can.

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Feeling like Trader Jack this morning

 

NYY send Sanchez + Stanton + Frazier

Padres send Myers + Renfroe + Naylor + Joey + Quantrill + Morejon + Arias + Ornelas + Mejia + Hedges

Get our OF set with Stanton /Grisham /Frazier and Margot for 2020.. Improve our Offense significantly.. NYY get cheap contrilable SP and BP good power and depth in the OF/1B/DH dept and a C that can have huge impact on SP and defensively while also getting a younger C in Mejia who can also play C/DH/LF with his valuable switch hitting bat.. This could work for both teams quite well

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Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 1, 2019, 6:06 am

Feeling like Trader Jack this morning

 

NYY send Sanchez + Stanton + Frazier

Padres send Myers + Renfroe + Naylor + Joey + Quantrill + Morejon + Arias + Ornelas + Mejia + Hedges

Get our OF set with Stanton /Grisham /Frazier and Margot for 2020.. Improve our Offense significantly.. NYY get cheap contrilable SP and BP good power and depth in the OF/1B/DH dept and a C that can have huge impact on SP and defensively while also getting a younger C in Mejia who can also play C/DH/LF with his valuable switch hitting bat.. This could work for both teams quite well

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