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#421 · November 11, 2019, 7:33 pm
Quote from JasonE135 on November 11, 2019, 4:25 pmThat Merrifield trade is what a team does when it is 1 player away and it would reset the market for us. What if we lose out on Strasburg and Wheeler? What if we cannot sign a replacement OF, or if the one/s we sign do not work out? We will never be able to make another trade. If we try to get Syndergaard? They will demand Gore, Trammell and Edwards. If you did it once why won't you do it again?
Everyone uses past trades as a reference. That's how the Mets screwed themselves at the trade deadline this year. How can they demand multiple top 50 prospects for Syndergaard when they gave up no top 100 prospects to get Stroman? I don't see Merrifield as the end of the road, therefore I don't see him being worth a huge haul. Especially when we have a prospect who projects to be the same type of hitter already on the team. 2B is not really a need right now. If we are going to make a trade, let's get an ACE or a quality OF.
“One player away”?
Why when you would have him for four years?
So maybe my offer was too much....but we have prospects...what we need is “major league” offense.
Cpt.Jack....”speed guy”?
May want to check again.
This “speed guy” lead the major leagues with 206 hits and would have lead the Padres in OPS.
Better than Renfroe....better than Machado.
If Merrifield is a “speed guy” what does that make Manny?
I’ll say this,Luis Patino better be the next Jake Peavy because everytime I mention trading him it’s like he shouldn’t even be considered in a trade straight up for Mike Trout.
I was ridiculed for not liking the Pomeranz(ML All Star at the time) for Espinoza(17 years old at the time) trade....now many of the same people are saying I’m crazy for wanting to trade prospects for major league all stars.
It seems it’s only smart to be the one giving away the ML All Stars and not the one acquiring them?
You know AJ has to win now right?
Having the top Farm system is no longer good enough.
There are two reasons to have a great Farm system and one of them is to trade those prospects for ML players “when it’s time to win”.
Well.....”it’s time to win”.
Im afraid Cpt.Jack is about to not be a happy camper because I suspect quite a few of our top prospects to be traded in the next few months.
There is zero reason for AJ Preller to leave any bullets in his gun because he is right now shooting for his GM life.
If the Padres don’t win in 20/21 a guy like Campusano isn’t gonna do a bit of good for Preller.
Seidler was quoted as saying something like “how would you like Rendon as our second baseman”?
That tells me that Urias will not be that guy on Opening day unless all else fails.
I don’t suspect we will get Rendon......so trading for a 2b could very well be the next step.
#422 · November 11, 2019, 7:40 pm
Quote from JasonE135 on November 11, 2019, 4:25 pmThat Merrifield trade is what a team does when it is 1 player away and it would reset the market for us. What if we lose out on Strasburg and Wheeler? What if we cannot sign a replacement OF, or if the one/s we sign do not work out? We will never be able to make another trade. If we try to get Syndergaard? They will demand Gore, Trammell and Edwards. If you did it once why won't you do it again?
Everyone uses past trades as a reference. That's how the Mets screwed themselves at the trade deadline this year. How can they demand multiple top 50 prospects for Syndergaard when they gave up no top 100 prospects to get Stroman? I don't see Merrifield as the end of the road, therefore I don't see him being worth a huge haul. Especially when we have a prospect who projects to be the same type of hitter already on the team. 2B is not really a need right now. If we are going to make a trade, let's get an ACE or a quality OF.
Which player on our team projects to lead MLB in hits......steal 30 bases with a .800+ OPS?
And I probably would rather have 4 years of Merrifield over 2 years of Lindor when getting Lindor would mean moving Tatis to 2b or the outfield and Lindor will cost twice as much $.
You guys want Tatis at 2b?....I just don’t see it.
I want to be competitive every year from this point forward.....not trade 3 top prospects for 2 years of Lindor and then lose him to free agency.
I think since you guys don’t see Merrifield play you’re undervaluing him.
#423 · November 11, 2019, 8:19 pm
I love Whit Merrifield and would be thrilled if the Padres landed him. Merrifield would be a huge boost to the offense. Patino is just too much IMO. I think you are right about Urias, Mr. P. It feels like he’s getting dealt. Urias is such a tough call for me. I loved his game and thought he would be a future all star with the Padres. He’s obviously disappointed so far. Its still very early in his career though. I think he could still end up being the all star guy many of us thought he would be, but it seems like the organization isn’t so attached. I think AJP views X, Miller or Abrams as the future at 2B.
#424 · November 11, 2019, 8:20 pm
Quote from David Nevin on November 11, 2019, 7:40 pmQuote from JasonE135 on November 11, 2019, 4:25 pmThat Merrifield trade is what a team does when it is 1 player away and it would reset the market for us. What if we lose out on Strasburg and Wheeler? What if we cannot sign a replacement OF, or if the one/s we sign do not work out? We will never be able to make another trade. If we try to get Syndergaard? They will demand Gore, Trammell and Edwards. If you did it once why won't you do it again?
Everyone uses past trades as a reference. That's how the Mets screwed themselves at the trade deadline this year. How can they demand multiple top 50 prospects for Syndergaard when they gave up no top 100 prospects to get Stroman? I don't see Merrifield as the end of the road, therefore I don't see him being worth a huge haul. Especially when we have a prospect who projects to be the same type of hitter already on the team. 2B is not really a need right now. If we are going to make a trade, let's get an ACE or a quality OF.
Which player on our team projects to lead MLB in hits......steal 30 bases with a .800+ OPS?
And I probably would rather have 4 years of Merrifield over 2 years of Lindor when getting Lindor would mean moving Tatis to 2b or the outfield and Lindor will cost twice as much $.
You guys want Tatis at 2b?....I just don’t see it.
I want to be competitive every year from this point forward.....not trade 3 top prospects for 2 years of Lindor and then lose him to free agency.
I think since you guys don’t see Merrifield play you’re undervaluing him.
Obviously I meant a player who projects to be a .300 type hitter with average power. I don't think anyone PROJECTS to lead the league in hitting. I can see that you love Merrifield and that is fine. He is an amazing player. I just don't think that he is the player we should blow all of our prospect capital on. We would still have the same holes we have now: ACE pitcher and multiple LHH OF. I do not want Lindor either.
#425 · November 11, 2019, 8:24 pm
Urias, Renfroe, Joey (I’d prefer it be Lauer), Perdomo and Blake Hunt for Thor? Reports are Mets want to lock up Wheeler long term so maybe they will be open to moving a Thor to fill other holes. The Mets don’t seem to be in love with Rosario at SS. Renfroe and Alonso could be New York’s version of the bash brothers. Joey is from NY, a young lefty controllable starter to slot in the rotation. Perdomo would be a nice piece in their gas can bullpen. Hunt is solid young catching prospect. So 4 players that can help them in 2020 and a young catching prospect.
#426 · November 11, 2019, 8:46 pm
Quote from TatisJr on November 11, 2019, 8:24 pmUrias, Renfroe, Joey (I’d prefer it be Lauer), Perdomo and Blake Hunt for Thor? Reports are Mets want to lock up Wheeler long term so maybe they will be open to moving a Thor to fill other holes. The Mets don’t seem to be in love with Rosario at SS. Renfroe and Alonso could be New York’s version of the bash brothers. Joey is from NY, a young lefty controllable starter to slot in the rotation. Perdomo would be a nice piece in their gas can bullpen. Hunt is solid young catching prospect. So 4 players that can help them in 2020 and a young catching prospect.
The Mets do need right-handed power but they are overflowing with corner OF and 2B. They need a CF, a plus defensive catcher who can also hit, another starter(two if they trade Syndergaard) and quality relief pitchers.
#427 · November 11, 2019, 9:23 pm
In my trade scenario the Mets new rotation would be Degrom, Wheeler, Stroman, Matz and Joey. I’m not sure why they would need 2 starters. Urias would likely play short in NY at least in 2020. The Mets current OF is very LH (Conforto, Nimmo and McNeill if he’s not playing second) seems like Hunter would be a good fit.
#428 · November 11, 2019, 10:09 pm
I do not believe the Mets will actually sign Wheeler. They are already looking out for his replacement. Yes they would like to have Lucchesie. He would fill a need and prove valuable to them. Urias is not needed. Rosario just hit .287 with 15 HR at SS for the Mets this year. Urias probably will not beat that next year, although he will probably have a better OBP. Rosario is, however, a much better defensive SS. Urias best position will always be 2B. They have Cano there right now and McNeil to take over when Cano is gone. They already have too many good hitters for too few spots.
They have mentioned having interest in Margot. I'm sure they will also want guys like Munoz and Baez and probably Yates. Renfroe is a possibility as well. Just saying, that's what they will want. I'm sure they will want our top pitching prospects and probably Trammell. I know all of those guys outside of Margot and Renfroe will be far more difficult to part with but I am sure that is what they will want/require. So some combination of them is probably what we would have to come up with to make a deal for Syndergaard.
I think it would be a mistake to trade for Syndergaard anyway.
#429 · November 12, 2019, 3:26 am
It’s not so much that I “love” Merrifield.
But he solves our leadoff issue(We need Tatis in a run producing spot).
He solves our 2b “issue” and he adds OBP and run scoring....both desperately needed.
He’s also on a rebuilding team who would move him for the right deal and we only have 2-3 positions we can upgrade.
Is there a better 2b available on the trade market?
#430 · November 12, 2019, 4:26 am
On one hand I would like Merrifield (especially on his team friendly contract) but there is the reality that the better Padres’ prospect trade chips can only go in one trade.
So is Merrifield that critical using trade chips for him ... risks inhibiting other deals. It is the other teams that determine the chips they want so doing a substitution by the Padres may just not sell.
At this moment, not all that interested in using trade assets for any 2B and willing to give Urias a longer look offensively and really like his 2B defense. Add that very upbeat on the future for Edwards who has quickly jumped successfully to A+ and maybe be a 2021 factor .. 2022 at the latest.
Still priority should be TOR SP and OF - OF - OF for some offense. Use the trade assets there. Now IF the pursuit of OF is not panning out via trade or FA signings ... trading for Merrifield as an OF (I know not the greatest but OK) to add that OBP/speed element would appeal and he would provide some insurance if Urias does not develop.
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Not sure why anyone would think Urias has good trade value. Would guess all other teams know the Padres’ back-ups are Kinsler / Garcia and know what Urias did in 2019 ... so if a rebuilding team like the Padres are giving up on Urias with no real back-up in place ... Urias must have minimal upside and by extension not worth much via trade.
Would add that 2B are not major targets in trades since “serviceable” 2B seem to be available ... so spend on the harder to fill slots.