Quote from BoosterSD on November 8, 2019, 6:23 pm

Quote from 3fingersplit on November 8, 2019, 6:13 pm

 

Why on earth would either team do this ?

Trade in the division.....not a chance

Yeah, because they have never made a trade together this decade. Oh wait, they did.

Quote from TatisJr on November 8, 2019, 6:29 pm

Quote from 3fingersplit on November 8, 2019, 6:18 pm

Some of you guys are finally figuring out the value that Hedges brings......I've been saying it for months but what do I know.....I only developed players for 25 years.

I said it before....Hedges can be fixed at the plate along with other some others. All it takes is for a coach to be able to communicate changes that the player can understand and be able to see success with.

 

Hedges will be 28 next year. He’s had almost 1200 ABs in the bigs and has shown ZERO signs of changing his swing or adjusting his approach. He’s a career .201 hitter. Hedges is a pretty simple player to sum up, he’s the best defensive catcher in baseball and the worst offensive catcher in baseball. His offense doesn’t need to be good, but it was so bad last year he was actually a negative WAR player despite his top notch D.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on November 8, 2019, 6:58 pm

Quote from TatisJr on November 8, 2019, 6:29 pm

Quote from 3fingersplit on November 8, 2019, 6:18 pm

Some of you guys are finally figuring out the value that Hedges brings......I've been saying it for months but what do I know.....I only developed players for 25 years.

I said it before....Hedges can be fixed at the plate along with other some others. All it takes is for a coach to be able to communicate changes that the player can understand and be able to see success with.

 

Hedges will be 28 next year. He’s had almost 1200 ABs in the bigs and has shown ZERO signs of changing his swing or adjusting his approach. He’s a career .201 hitter. Hedges is a pretty simple player to sum up, he’s the best defensive catcher in baseball and the worst offensive catcher in baseball. His offense doesn’t need to be good, but it was so bad last year he was actually a negative WAR player despite his top notch D.

Yeah but 2018 Hedges was OPsing like .731 .. 2019 was his worst yr ever.. Offensively.. How can we get 2018 Hedges back???

Quote from TatisJr on November 8, 2019, 8:34 pm

Quote from Henry Silvestre on November 8, 2019, 6:58 pm

Quote from TatisJr on November 8, 2019, 6:29 pm

Quote from 3fingersplit on November 8, 2019, 6:18 pm

Some of you guys are finally figuring out the value that Hedges brings......I've been saying it for months but what do I know.....I only developed players for 25 years.

I said it before....Hedges can be fixed at the plate along with other some others. All it takes is for a coach to be able to communicate changes that the player can understand and be able to see success with.

 

Hedges will be 28 next year. He’s had almost 1200 ABs in the bigs and has shown ZERO signs of changing his swing or adjusting his approach. He’s a career .201 hitter. Hedges is a pretty simple player to sum up, he’s the best defensive catcher in baseball and the worst offensive catcher in baseball. His offense doesn’t need to be good, but it was so bad last year he was actually a negative WAR player despite his top notch D.

Yeah but 2018 Hedges was OPsing like .731 .. 2019 was his worst yr ever.. Offensively.. How can we get 2018 Hedges back???

Or Hedges at 27 is more like his career .617 OPS. To put that in perspective the average OPS of the 10 worst offensive catchers is around .666. I’m not meaning to come across as Mr Anti-Hedges, I’m in awe of his work behind the plate. I just think a team that needs offense, can’t have him making the majority of starts. His hitting approach is the exact opposite of what the Padres are preaching. They want OBP, strike zone recognition,power, walks and lower K rates. Does Hedges show any of those skills as a hitter?

Quote from MrPadre19 on November 9, 2019, 4:12 am

As the Catcher he’s the one player on the field in which an exception could be made.....”if” his defense warrants it.

I think it does.

But.....that means the other 7 need to hit and get on base “and” he needs to at least improve over last year.

At least this is what I think the FO will decide and Hedges will still Catch 40% of the time.

 

Quote from fenn68 on November 9, 2019, 4:52 am

Probably that is how it will end up.

Since after all this ML time ... don’t think he can be more than his .201 ML career BA ... some people just can’t handle ML pitching. Combine that with it being a hard in 2020 to get sufficient offensive improvement in 4 of the 7 other positions (or even in the other 3) to offset his offensive liability. Improvement yes ... but enough to carry one of the worst offensive teams up to contention quality ... no.

Looking at it from the other direction .... IF Hedges is that valuable as a defensive specialist ... what could he fetch from a contender with a strong offense? Would the value of the return piece (if it fit a Padre need) be more impactful for the 2020 Padres? Future Padres?

NATS come to mind ... ASTROS come to mind ... RANGERS come to mind (after they make the big FA signings) ... basically a lot of teams need catchers and after Grandal as a FA ... pickings are slim. Supply and demand might yield an “over pay” for Hedges IF someone views his defense as that desirable.

Is Hedges more valuable as a trade chip (low cost, 3 control years, elite defense) than a player for the 2020 Padres?

 

Quote from Henry Silvestre on November 9, 2019, 5:39 am

Quote from fenn68 on November 9, 2019, 4:52 am

Probably that is how it will end up.

Since after all this ML time ... don’t think he can be more than his .201 ML career BA ... some people just can’t handle ML pitching. Combine that with it being a hard in 2020 to get sufficient offensive improvement in 4 of the 7 other positions (or even in the other 3) to offset his offensive liability. Improvement yes ... but enough to carry one of the worst offensive teams up to contention quality ... no.

Looking at it from the other direction .... IF Hedges is that valuable as a defensive specialist ... what could he fetch from a contender with a strong offense? Would the value of the return piece (if it fit a Padre need) be more impactful for the 2020 Padres? Future Padres?

NATS come to mind ... ASTROS come to mind ... RANGERS come to mind (after they make the big FA signings) ... basically a lot of teams need catchers and after Grandal as a FA ... pickings are slim. Supply and demand might yield an “over pay” for Hedges IF someone views his defense as that desirable.

Is Hedges more valuable as a trade chip (low cost, 3 control years, elite defense) than a player for the 2020 Padres?

 

Wonder if Mazara for Hedges straight up os too little or too much??

Wonder if Tucker for Hedges is too little too much?

I mean if Hedges framing = 1/2 run per game vs most C.. Thats like Hedges scoring or driving in 60 runs on offense (+ his terrible #s) make him well quite valuable.... Remember Ozzie was a bad hitter for a long time until he became a solid one.. And Hedges just needs to be his 2018 .711 Hell if league avg is .666 he just needs to be .650 OPS C with his D that is awesome category .. But .568 or whatever 2019 was is no bueno

Quote from Henry Silvestre on November 9, 2019, 5:48 am

Basically I am down with trading Hedges but I need a starter at another position in return.. Otherwise I keep my valuable Defensive stud around.. He is like a coach on the field for the young P... And in a close game Pads up 2-1 in the 8th game 7 WS I want him to come in and be squatting behind home plate as Munoz and Yates close it out..

Quote from Brian Connelly on November 9, 2019, 9:31 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on November 9, 2019, 5:48 am

Basically I am down with trading Hedges but I need a starter at another position in return.. Otherwise I keep my valuable Defensive stud around.. He is like a coach on the field for the young P... And in a close game Pads up 2-1 in the 8th game 7 WS I want him to come in and be squatting behind home plate as Munoz and Yates close it out..

Now apply that to regular season games..... I've been saying for a while that his elite defense / worst in MLB offense are SO extreme, that this would be the better way to use him...  as a "closer" C working with all the RP's on an improving team that should have the lead more often at the end of the game in 2020.

Obviously going to make some starts, but can "flip" this too, and insert Mejia as an early double swith pinch hitter in games where they're down & the 2-3 PA he gets might win the game for you.   Hedges' defensive prowess is 100% irrelevant if losing by 3 in the 5th inning; statistically his terrible offense simply hurts your chance of being able to come back & win.

I did a deep dive (Minors thread) looking at the Rule 5 guys as if they were still "prospects", which really, they are.   We are all sleeping on Torrens.  Everyone's high stock soaring (deservedly) on Campusano, but Torrens basically put up those same #'s in AA!   If he were a prospect IMO there's no way he's not in the top 10.  With a 26-man roster, I'm really beginning to like the idea of going with 2 backup (3 total) C's & just 1 INF.  Seems like it would enhance ways to use Mejia, ideas like above, get RH (Myers? Mejia or Torrens?) @ 1B sometimes vs LHP to start a game....