Quote from Brian Connelly on February 29, 2020, 12:34 pm

Quote from Ben Davey on February 28, 2020, 10:46 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on February 28, 2020, 6:09 am

 

Cant carry 15 pitchers--- New roster rules limit to 13 the number of pitchers on a mlb 26 man roster-- it can expand to only 14 in Sept call ups -- roster only +2 to 28 then also

I was being sarcastic haha.  I am aware of the limits.  Point was that it is really hard to find any scenario (that doesnt involve injuries) where both Perdomo and Guerra make the team.

Now that I think about it, what might be more prudent/possible is if AJ can flip one of the more established relievers before camp breaks.  AJ wants a small fortune for Kirby but would anyone really be surprised to see him traded?  I also wouldnt put it past AJ to try to flip Stammen for a low level DSL prospect.  Stammen has been an above average 7th/8th inning guy the last few years, even though everyone agrees his stuff has decreased, if a team picks up an injury at the back of their pen, (especially a team that is hoping to make the playoffs) wouldnt be out of the question to see them acquire Stammen for some DSL prospect who hasnt played stateside yet.

Zero chance of Stammen for a (DSL?!) prospect.  Why would they have re-signed him AFTER Pom & Pierce Johnson if they didn't want him.... even if Pagan wasn't on the radar yet?   Now Pierce Johnson... that I could see.  Pads could even eat a little $ to buy a better prospect with trading team getting him dirt cheap for 2-3 yrs.

Most likely is a minor trade of a fringy not established yet RP like Wingenter or Bednar IF Pads need a roster spot.  Of course Javier Guerra is "make or break (i.e. 'trade')" since out of options.

POSSIBLE they include a more established RP even Yates in a larger deal, but it is really hard to see that "need" fit for a full MLB competitive season... would basically have to be part of a larger deal including either Myers ($) out OR for a 2B...

Deadline way more likely for an established RP out trade.   I expect Pads to "slow roll" Munoz &/or J. Castillo through AAA briefly before MLB.

Quote from onlypads on March 3, 2020, 2:58 pm

Passed on Bryant for Camp and Lamet.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/story/2020-03-03/padres-notes-garrett-richards-debuts-passing-on-kris-bryant-trade-tatis-still-has-bug-yates-ready%3f_amp=true

 

Quote from Ben Davey on March 3, 2020, 10:08 pm

Quote from Brian Connelly on February 29, 2020, 12:34 pm

Quote from Ben Davey on February 28, 2020, 10:46 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on February 28, 2020, 6:09 am

 

Cant carry 15 pitchers--- New roster rules limit to 13 the number of pitchers on a mlb 26 man roster-- it can expand to only 14 in Sept call ups -- roster only +2 to 28 then also

I was being sarcastic haha.  I am aware of the limits.  Point was that it is really hard to find any scenario (that doesnt involve injuries) where both Perdomo and Guerra make the team.

Now that I think about it, what might be more prudent/possible is if AJ can flip one of the more established relievers before camp breaks.  AJ wants a small fortune for Kirby but would anyone really be surprised to see him traded?  I also wouldnt put it past AJ to try to flip Stammen for a low level DSL prospect.  Stammen has been an above average 7th/8th inning guy the last few years, even though everyone agrees his stuff has decreased, if a team picks up an injury at the back of their pen, (especially a team that is hoping to make the playoffs) wouldnt be out of the question to see them acquire Stammen for some DSL prospect who hasnt played stateside yet.

Zero chance of Stammen for a (DSL?!) prospect.  Why would they have re-signed him AFTER Pom & Pierce Johnson if they didn't want him.... even if Pagan wasn't on the radar yet?   Now Pierce Johnson... that I could see.  Pads could even eat a little $ to buy a better prospect with trading team getting him dirt cheap for 2-3 yrs.

Most likely is a minor trade of a fringy not established yet RP like Wingenter or Bednar IF Pads need a roster spot.  Of course Javier Guerra is "make or break (i.e. 'trade')" since out of options.

POSSIBLE they include a more established RP even Yates in a larger deal, but it is really hard to see that "need" fit for a full MLB competitive season... would basically have to be part of a larger deal including either Myers ($) out OR for a 2B...

Deadline way more likely for an established RP out trade.   I expect Pads to "slow roll" Munoz &/or J. Castillo through AAA briefly before MLB.

I didnt say it was likely, and am well aware of when they signed Stammen.  It is more a lack of space, especially if they club needs to keep Guerra.  The more likely scenario is Munoz and/or Castillo start the year in the minors. However, it will be hard to keep both of them down if they are healthy.  Since it would be really surprising to see Yates traded right before the season starts, a low level trade of Stammen would make sense.  Why?  He is probably your 6th or 7th best option out of the pen, and is an easy argument that Munoz/Castillo/Guerra/Pierce might all be better as well.  But, thats because of how deep the pen is.  He might be the 3rd or 4th option on many clubs.  Worth a low level prospect for a team desperate (Mets)

Quote from JasonE135 on March 3, 2020, 10:57 pm

Quote from onlypads on March 3, 2020, 2:58 pm

Passed on Bryant for Camp and Lamet.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/story/2020-03-03/padres-notes-garrett-richards-debuts-passing-on-kris-bryant-trade-tatis-still-has-bug-yates-ready%3f_amp=true

 

Ha, ha! Cubs fans on mlbtraderumors are thinking that Bryant is worth a fortune in prospects. Glad to see the market adjusting. I don't think I would have made that trade either. It's good to see that Preller has a brain and a spine!

Quote from fenn68 on March 4, 2020, 3:03 am

Given the Padres roster ... Lamet as a potential upper rotation arm likely is more valuable to the Padres' attempt to contend that the incremental value of Bryant playing out of position (corner OF) while eating a lot of payroll for the next two years and limiting any other strategic add.

Good no trade.

Quote from fenn68 on March 4, 2020, 3:31 am

Don't see a trade of Stammen before the start of the season (or even in the first half) ... maybe trade deadline if the Padres are out of contention. More likely Perdomo goes on the block (if not optioned).

Three weeks is a lot of time for injuries before the opening day roster is set and history suggests that injuries will continue early in the season ... so a strong set of call-up options is valuable for a contending team.

I like the POTENTIAL upside of Guerra, Munoz, and Castillo but looking at their usage / workload in 2019 might suggest that they need to still have some workload build up in the minors before becoming workhorses in the ML. Since Guerra is out of options AND the hype the Padres are presenting on his POTENTIAL ... he should get that first shot at being in the ML pen in a controlled usage environment. Munoz and Castillo get their initial innings in the minors in a controlled usage environment.

Stammen in the 6th and 7th will give them a lot of very good innings ... his history is as a workhorse while staying healthy and "saving" the rest of the pen from being overworked.

Yates - Pomeranz (L) - Pagan - Strahm (L) - Stammen - Johnson - Guerra - Perdomo (on the bubble).

Poised for call-up: Quantrill - Munoz - Castillo (L) - Bednar - Wingenter - et. al which sets-up some very good protection to cover the expected injuries (or under performance). Would add that we still have to evaluate Johnson in a ML regular season environment ... so maybe some insurance vs. his performance.

 

Quote from Brian Connelly on March 4, 2020, 8:34 am

Quote from fenn68 on March 4, 2020, 3:03 am

Given the Padres roster ... Lamet as a potential upper rotation arm likely is more valuable to the Padres' attempt to contend that the incremental value of Bryant playing out of position (corner OF) while eating a lot of payroll for the next two years and limiting any other strategic add.

Good no trade.

I agree.  This is one of those (typical) proposals where the current "name" guy gets over-valued by the trading team, but the hole you would be creating on the MLB roster as part of the trade alone is cancelling out a lot of the benefit.

Quote from Brian Connelly on March 4, 2020, 9:02 am

Quote from Ben Davey on March 3, 2020, 10:08 pm

Quote from Brian Connelly on February 29, 2020, 12:34 pm

Quote from Ben Davey on February 28, 2020, 10:46 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on February 28, 2020, 6:09 am

 

Cant carry 15 pitchers--- New roster rules limit to 13 the number of pitchers on a mlb 26 man roster-- it can expand to only 14 in Sept call ups -- roster only +2 to 28 then also

I was being sarcastic haha.  I am aware of the limits.  Point was that it is really hard to find any scenario (that doesnt involve injuries) where both Perdomo and Guerra make the team.

Now that I think about it, what might be more prudent/possible is if AJ can flip one of the more established relievers before camp breaks.  AJ wants a small fortune for Kirby but would anyone really be surprised to see him traded?  I also wouldnt put it past AJ to try to flip Stammen for a low level DSL prospect.  Stammen has been an above average 7th/8th inning guy the last few years, even though everyone agrees his stuff has decreased, if a team picks up an injury at the back of their pen, (especially a team that is hoping to make the playoffs) wouldnt be out of the question to see them acquire Stammen for some DSL prospect who hasnt played stateside yet.

Zero chance of Stammen for a (DSL?!) prospect.  Why would they have re-signed him AFTER Pom & Pierce Johnson if they didn't want him.... even if Pagan wasn't on the radar yet?   Now Pierce Johnson... that I could see.  Pads could even eat a little $ to buy a better prospect with trading team getting him dirt cheap for 2-3 yrs.

Most likely is a minor trade of a fringy not established yet RP like Wingenter or Bednar IF Pads need a roster spot.  Of course Javier Guerra is "make or break (i.e. 'trade')" since out of options.

POSSIBLE they include a more established RP even Yates in a larger deal, but it is really hard to see that "need" fit for a full MLB competitive season... would basically have to be part of a larger deal including either Myers ($) out OR for a 2B...

Deadline way more likely for an established RP out trade.   I expect Pads to "slow roll" Munoz &/or J. Castillo through AAA briefly before MLB.

I didnt say it was likely, and am well aware of when they signed Stammen.  It is more a lack of space, especially if they club needs to keep Guerra.  The more likely scenario is Munoz and/or Castillo start the year in the minors. However, it will be hard to keep both of them down if they are healthy.  Since it would be really surprising to see Yates traded right before the season starts, a low level trade of Stammen would make sense.  Why?  He is probably your 6th or 7th best option out of the pen, and is an easy argument that Munoz/Castillo/Guerra/Pierce might all be better as well.  But, thats because of how deep the pen is.  He might be the 3rd or 4th option on many clubs.  Worth a low level prospect for a team desperate (Mets)

The logic of trading Stammen or Pierce Johnson as a result of Pagan arriving with the ultra-deep pen does make logical sense.  It's your specific valuation of Stammen I don't get.  I don't know how many other teams were in on Stammen in FA, and he's not a closer, but 2 / 9 MM or 3 / 12 MM seems pretty reasonable for a guy who's ultra dependable & among IP leaders for RP in MLB.

Not "cheap" or potential "deal" like unproven Johnson COULD be, but has to be worth more than a low level DSL prospect?  Maybe it's just the verbiage I'm stuck on.  You mean "top 30" prospect premium Intl signee, just recently signed... then maybe.

Quote from BoosterSD on March 4, 2020, 6:53 pm

I know Spring is a time for baseball optimism, and there are some things to be excited about in Peoria. However, there are many in the media, and some on here, that think SD is still one season away from being real contenders.

NYY and BOS are in real need of SP, and many have speculated about trading Quantrill, especially to BOS. And BOS maybe more interested in Quantrill or other younger cheaper SPs since they may need to reload a bit. However, NYY are in full WS or bust mode. So instead of thinking about Q going in trade, I propose this train of thought.

SD trades Garrett Richards to NYY. They are already over the CBT; however, Richards is only $7.75M in CBT value, so the tax addition would be nominal. Not sure Richards would command a lot, but could get something decent from NYY. Would love to take more advantage of NYY in sending them Richards, like taking a good portion of Myers contract, but NYY is so RHH heavy I dont think they would have interest in Myers even if he was performing close to his contract. 1B is probably their weakest position, and could use a LH bat. So maybe Richards and Naylor for a better prospect?