Quote from Henry Silvestre on February 22, 2020, 4:40 am

While I like Senzel.. Too me he is just like Trammell or Grisham (an unproven commodity) and if we are opening the window we need an All Star.. (Lindor/Bryant/Yelich) + a TOR.... Can we get there without those 2 adds.. Possibly.. But to give us a true shot we need to go there..with what we already have.. I am rooting for Mets to suck and DeGroom to be our deadline splurge..

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Quote from onlypads on February 21, 2020, 4:12 pm

Excluding Myers, I wonder if Quantrill and Trammell are enough for Senzel. I pull that trigger instantly.

 

Quote from onlypads on February 21, 2020, 6:15 pm

Quote from onlypads on February 21, 2020, 4:12 pm

Excluding Myers, I wonder if Quantrill and Trammell are enough for Senzel. I pull that trigger instantly.

Obviously the history would prevent that probably idk. But I would offer as high as a four for one with a mix of ML and top 15 prospects. I just see his floor being 270 20/20 and ceiling near 300 with 25hr. Offers a bit of the Tatis flash, not to that level and probably a lower ceiling to be sure, but with consistency and a clutch gene.

I offer as high as Q/L + Grisham + Weathers/Bolanos/Lawson + Naylor / Olivares

I don't think the Reds needs fit what we have. First off, they already have a million OF, but only 1 is a sure thing and that is Senzel. As for your first trade idea, we got Taylor Trammell from them. If they were willing to trade him they didn't think they needed him, and they sure don't now. Their rotation is better than ours, and they have some high quality pitching prospects as well. What they need is a high quality SS and a C who can hit. They already have a C who cannot hit but plays great defense, so they will not want Hedges. They will want players like Mejia, Campusano and Abrams. I am sure they would demand at least 1 of those 3 along with other propects. I do not think Senzel is worth it.

The sad reality haha. If we are thinking the window next 2 to 4 years and the move for Senzel is in that vein I cannot give up Mejia at this time.

I think I look to headline a deal with Abrams and Torrens among others.

I expect Abrams to be a better player than Senzel.

 

Quote from fenn68 on February 22, 2020, 5:14 am

I can’t see CINN dealing Senzel for prospects. They plan to win the NL Central and Senzel is more valuable to them now as a super utility guy with a future than anyone the Padres can offer not named Tatis.

Now if the Indians offer Lindor that is different, a SS upgrade is what they want.

Quote from fenn68 on February 22, 2020, 5:28 am

Sort of the same with the Indians and Lindor. Trying to win the AL Central and Lindor a key. If they move him need a quality SS back in the package and SD does not have one not named Tatis.

That is why the Lindor for Senzel - Galvis base makes sense with CINN taking the contract. Either CINN does not want all the contract in 2020 or CLEVE wants more prospects... no deal.

Quote from onlypads on February 22, 2020, 6:35 am

I think this was brought up a few times and I think it is consistent with the reporting, but wouldn't the trade be as follows:

1. Reds: Lindor (fits ML shortstop need and potential extension)
2. Padres: Senzel (fits window, controllable, and upside)
3. Indians: prospects + ML player(s) What are their needs? With the recent departures of Bauer and Kluber and the injury to Clevinger, our ML and prospect pitching depth may be of assistance.  To start the discussion I think Quantrill + Arias + Bolanos/Weathers/Lawson + Reds prospect(s))

A high price to pay to be sure and limits our options to unload Myers.  Senzel is material for a contending team.  Not the final and only piece, but he can play and significantly contribute RIGHT NOW.  We don't mortgage our future and he fits our payroll demands.

Completely disagree with the sentiment said that Senzel resembles a player like Grisham.  Senzel has more tools (arm, hit, fielding), can play nearly anywhere, pedigree, and has ALREADY performed at a pretty high level.  Senzel was a top prospect and didn't disappoint as a rookie, and he is coming into his power.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on February 22, 2020, 8:17 am

Quote from onlypads on February 22, 2020, 6:35 am

I think this was brought up a few times and I think it is consistent with the reporting, but wouldn't the trade be as follows:

1. Reds: Lindor (fits ML shortstop need and potential extension)
2. Padres: Senzel (fits window, controllable, and upside)
3. Indians: prospects + ML player(s) What are their needs? With the recent departures of Bauer and Kluber and the injury to Clevinger, our ML and prospect pitching depth may be of assistance.  To start the discussion I think Quantrill + Arias + Bolanos/Weathers/Lawson + Reds prospect(s))

A high price to pay to be sure and limits our options to unload Myers.  Senzel is material for a contending team.  Not the final and only piece, but he can play and significantly contribute RIGHT NOW.  We don't mortgage our future and he fits our payroll demands.

Completely disagree with the sentiment said that Senzel resembles a player like Grisham.  Senzel has more tools (arm, hit, fielding), can play nearly anywhere, pedigree, and has ALREADY performed at a pretty high level.  Senzel was a top prospect and didn't disappoint as a rookie, and he is coming into his power.

Grisham had a 0.7 WAR in 156 AB's Senzel 0.6 in 375 AB's.. At MLB level... AAA you say.. Senzel never broke .900 OPS at AAA ..Grisham was 1.010 OPS last year.. With 26 Hrs.. Senzel has yet to hit 15 Hrs in a season... How is that ALREADY performed at a high level vs Grisham who has done a lot better at MLB and AAA... ???? I give you arm and position flexibility as well as prospect ranking..but until he proves me wrong Grisham is way ahead of Senzel at this point and time

Quote from onlypads on February 22, 2020, 8:46 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on February 22, 2020, 8:17 am

Quote from onlypads on February 22, 2020, 6:35 am

I think this was brought up a few times and I think it is consistent with the reporting, but wouldn't the trade be as follows:

1. Reds: Lindor (fits ML shortstop need and potential extension)
2. Padres: Senzel (fits window, controllable, and upside)
3. Indians: prospects + ML player(s) What are their needs? With the recent departures of Bauer and Kluber and the injury to Clevinger, our ML and prospect pitching depth may be of assistance.  To start the discussion I think Quantrill + Arias + Bolanos/Weathers/Lawson + Reds prospect(s))

A high price to pay to be sure and limits our options to unload Myers.  Senzel is material for a contending team.  Not the final and only piece, but he can play and significantly contribute RIGHT NOW.  We don't mortgage our future and he fits our payroll demands.

Completely disagree with the sentiment said that Senzel resembles a player like Grisham.  Senzel has more tools (arm, hit, fielding), can play nearly anywhere, pedigree, and has ALREADY performed at a pretty high level.  Senzel was a top prospect and didn't disappoint as a rookie, and he is coming into his power.

Grisham had a 0.7 WAR in 156 AB's Senzel 0.6 in 375 AB's.. At MLB level... AAA you say.. Senzel never broke .900 OPS at AAA ..Grisham was 1.010 OPS last year.. With 26 Hrs.. Senzel has yet to hit 15 Hrs in a season... How is that ALREADY performed at a high level vs Grisham who has done a lot better at MLB and AAA... ???? I give you arm and position flexibility as well as prospect ranking..but until he proves me wrong Grisham is way ahead of Senzel at this point and time

I had discounted Grisham's home ML stats. But yeah it's a good point, they are closer than I thought.  Also, we shall see if Grisham can hit at that level for more than 150 ABs in a less friendly park. I really hope so, I am not rooting against him.

To be fair though, Senzel raked all through the minors, meanwhile Grisham had a great 2019 in AAA -- like many hitters.  France hit better than both at AAA and does not have Senzel's hit tool (IMO).  I just see Senzel as somebody who can play any OF position and 2B on a contending team.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on February 22, 2020, 9:21 am

Quote from onlypads on February 22, 2020, 8:46 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on February 22, 2020, 8:17 am

Quote from onlypads on February 22, 2020, 6:35 am

I think this was brought up a few times and I think it is consistent with the reporting, but wouldn't the trade be as follows:

1. Reds: Lindor (fits ML shortstop need and potential extension)
2. Padres: Senzel (fits window, controllable, and upside)
3. Indians: prospects + ML player(s) What are their needs? With the recent departures of Bauer and Kluber and the injury to Clevinger, our ML and prospect pitching depth may be of assistance.  To start the discussion I think Quantrill + Arias + Bolanos/Weathers/Lawson + Reds prospect(s))

A high price to pay to be sure and limits our options to unload Myers.  Senzel is material for a contending team.  Not the final and only piece, but he can play and significantly contribute RIGHT NOW.  We don't mortgage our future and he fits our payroll demands.

Completely disagree with the sentiment said that Senzel resembles a player like Grisham.  Senzel has more tools (arm, hit, fielding), can play nearly anywhere, pedigree, and has ALREADY performed at a pretty high level.  Senzel was a top prospect and didn't disappoint as a rookie, and he is coming into his power.

Grisham had a 0.7 WAR in 156 AB's Senzel 0.6 in 375 AB's.. At MLB level... AAA you say.. Senzel never broke .900 OPS at AAA ..Grisham was 1.010 OPS last year.. With 26 Hrs.. Senzel has yet to hit 15 Hrs in a season... How is that ALREADY performed at a high level vs Grisham who has done a lot better at MLB and AAA... ???? I give you arm and position flexibility as well as prospect ranking..but until he proves me wrong Grisham is way ahead of Senzel at this point and time

I had discounted Grisham's home stats. But yeah it's a good point, they are closer than I thought.

Senzel plays in a sandbox too.. Cincy is more hitter friendly than Brewers stadium..

Quote from onlypads on February 22, 2020, 9:27 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on February 22, 2020, 9:21 am

Quote from onlypads on February 22, 2020, 8:46 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on February 22, 2020, 8:17 am

Quote from onlypads on February 22, 2020, 6:35 am

I think this was brought up a few times and I think it is consistent with the reporting, but wouldn't the trade be as follows:

1. Reds: Lindor (fits ML shortstop need and potential extension)
2. Padres: Senzel (fits window, controllable, and upside)
3. Indians: prospects + ML player(s) What are their needs? With the recent departures of Bauer and Kluber and the injury to Clevinger, our ML and prospect pitching depth may be of assistance.  To start the discussion I think Quantrill + Arias + Bolanos/Weathers/Lawson + Reds prospect(s))

A high price to pay to be sure and limits our options to unload Myers.  Senzel is material for a contending team.  Not the final and only piece, but he can play and significantly contribute RIGHT NOW.  We don't mortgage our future and he fits our payroll demands.

Completely disagree with the sentiment said that Senzel resembles a player like Grisham.  Senzel has more tools (arm, hit, fielding), can play nearly anywhere, pedigree, and has ALREADY performed at a pretty high level.  Senzel was a top prospect and didn't disappoint as a rookie, and he is coming into his power.

Grisham had a 0.7 WAR in 156 AB's Senzel 0.6 in 375 AB's.. At MLB level... AAA you say.. Senzel never broke .900 OPS at AAA ..Grisham was 1.010 OPS last year.. With 26 Hrs.. Senzel has yet to hit 15 Hrs in a season... How is that ALREADY performed at a high level vs Grisham who has done a lot better at MLB and AAA... ???? I give you arm and position flexibility as well as prospect ranking..but until he proves me wrong Grisham is way ahead of Senzel at this point and time

I had discounted Grisham's home stats. But yeah it's a good point, they are closer than I thought.

Senzel plays in a sandbox too.. Cincy is more hitter friendly than Brewers stadium..

Is it? Maybe my comments regarding past ML performance are misguided. I can concede that.  As to future performance, I think most analysts / FOs value Senzel higher than Grisham.  The thrust of my point is I would rather have Senzel than Grisham given our needs and what I think he brings to the table.