Quote from sportwarrior on February 21, 2020, 10:54 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on February 21, 2020, 10:46 am

Am I missing something or isn't it true that a trade for Senzel isn't going to require a dump of Myers?

We don't need to move Myers contract to add Senzel at league minimum.

So any trade of Myers would mean an add of someone like Lindor or Bryant rather than the 2nd year player Senzel.

 

 

I think it's less that a trade for Senzel would require a dump of Myers than it is that the Padres have two separate objectives they're attempting to synergize. If you're doing two things at once, why not at least attempt to fit them together in a way that makes sense?

That said, I am starting to think (and continue to hope) that a trade isn't gonna happen.

Quote from onlypads on February 21, 2020, 10:54 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on February 21, 2020, 10:26 am

Anyone else reading too much about Q being the SP tomorrow? ... Why Q? Showcase for a trade? or simplywant to settle#5 SP Joey vs Q sooner than later and want those 2 to be 1st up?

I think the Padres know what they have with each pitcher -- feels like a showcase to me.

Quote from JasonE135 on February 21, 2020, 10:56 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on February 21, 2020, 10:26 am

Anyone else reading too much about Q being the SP tomorrow? ... Why Q? Showcase for a trade? or simplywant to settle#5 SP Joey vs Q sooner than later and want those 2 to be 1st up?

I guess they are going on a rotation schedule already in the spring. It was mentioned about a week ago that it seemed the timing would work out for Quantrill to be starting the first game but they hadn't announced it yet at that time.

Quote from onlypads on February 21, 2020, 11:01 am

Quote from sportwarrior on February 21, 2020, 10:54 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on February 21, 2020, 10:46 am

Am I missing something or isn't it true that a trade for Senzel isn't going to require a dump of Myers?

We don't need to move Myers contract to add Senzel at league minimum.

So any trade of Myers would mean an add of someone like Lindor or Bryant rather than the 2nd year player Senzel.

 

 

I think it's less that a trade for Senzel would require a dump of Myers than it is that the Padres have two separate objectives they're attempting to synergize. If you're doing two things at once, why not at least attempt to fit them together in a way that makes sense?

That said, I am starting to think (and continue to hope) that a trade isn't gonna happen.

I like Senzel more than Lindor. Great athlete and gamer. Can play two positions of need and will accelerate our window. We need that depth and he is on the cusp of a better year I believe.

Can we get him without giving up Gore or Patino?

Quote from MrPadre19 on February 21, 2020, 11:04 am

Quote from sportwarrior on February 21, 2020, 10:54 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on February 21, 2020, 10:46 am

Am I missing something or isn't it true that a trade for Senzel isn't going to require a dump of Myers?

We don't need to move Myers contract to add Senzel at league minimum.

So any trade of Myers would mean an add of someone like Lindor or Bryant rather than the 2nd year player Senzel.

 

 

I think it's less that a trade for Senzel would require a dump of Myers than it is that the Padres have two separate objectives they're attempting to synergize. If you're doing two things at once, why not at least attempt to fit them together in a way that makes sense?

That said, I am starting to think (and continue to hope) that a trade isn't gonna happen.

It just doesn't make sense to me "at this point" in the offseason to still be trying to trade Myers,at the cost of a good prospect or two,unless they "need" to move 1/2 that contract.

It is most definitely the worst time to try and trade him.

He could add value with a decent season and his cost goes down with every game played.

So i just don't see them giving up prospects just to save $10 mil a season on Myers unless it means adding another larger contract.

Otherwise....just wait and see how Myers and the team plays in 2020.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on February 21, 2020, 12:48 pm

Quote from MrPadre19 on February 21, 2020, 11:04 am

Quote from sportwarrior on February 21, 2020, 10:54 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on February 21, 2020, 10:46 am

Am I missing something or isn't it true that a trade for Senzel isn't going to require a dump of Myers?

We don't need to move Myers contract to add Senzel at league minimum.

So any trade of Myers would mean an add of someone like Lindor or Bryant rather than the 2nd year player Senzel.

 

 

I think it's less that a trade for Senzel would require a dump of Myers than it is that the Padres have two separate objectives they're attempting to synergize. If you're doing two things at once, why not at least attempt to fit them together in a way that makes sense?

That said, I am starting to think (and continue to hope) that a trade isn't gonna happen.

It just doesn't make sense to me "at this point" in the offseason to still be trying to trade Myers,at the cost of a good prospect or two,unless they "need" to move 1/2 that contract.

It is most definitely the worst time to try and trade him.

He could add value with a decent season and his cost goes down with every game played.

So i just don't see them giving up prospects just to save $10 mil a season on Myers unless it means adding another larger contract.

Otherwise....just wait and see how Myers and the team plays in 2020.

I agree-- hold on to Myers-- Next offseason or trade deadline (especially if he is having a great 1st 1/2) AJP could move him for a > return and less prospects and $$ attached to him

With that said-- If Lindor/Whit or KBryant become available and doable, (and Pads require moving Myers to make it feasible) then by all means trade, trade away-- otherwise hold

Quote from Brian Connelly on February 21, 2020, 12:59 pm

There IS a risk to holding Myers into this season.  Basically gambling 10's of MM on how his first half goes:

1. "Good" Wil:  Might be hot trade commodity at deadline IF Padres do the smart thing and absorb most of his remaining 2020 salary in exchange for new team taking most (all?) of 21-22 $$.  If Pads don't trade him now, with both MLB near ready SP and OF percolating in system, I fully expect the "Myers with MLB SP" talks to start up again... a prospect in deal won't be as important then.    Of course, a minor "good to have" problem would be:  "Why should we trade him if he's playing well".  That might end up having more to do with how the guys in AAA/AA are doing, and of course, where we are in the playoff race.

2.  "Bad" Wil:  This would be pretty bad.  He would be essentially untradeable at deadline, but couldn't remove him from roster.  Really would have no choice but to just keep playing him, hope he turns it around in 2nd 1/2, and revisit the entire issue yet again in the offseason.  If he has a career worst year, we are stuck with him on 26-man even if we bench him.  That could easily be the very large 'straw' that gets Preller fired.

Quote from MrPadre19 on February 21, 2020, 1:33 pm

Quote from Brian Connelly on February 21, 2020, 12:59 pm

There IS a risk to holding Myers into this season.  Basically gambling 10's of MM on how his first half goes:

1. "Good" Wil:  Might be hot trade commodity at deadline IF Padres do the smart thing and absorb most of his remaining 2020 salary in exchange for new team taking most (all?) of 21-22 $$.  If Pads don't trade him now, with both MLB near ready SP and OF percolating in system, I fully expect the "Myers with MLB SP" talks to start up again... a prospect in deal won't be as important then.    Of course, a minor "good to have" problem would be:  "Why should we trade him if he's playing well".  That might end up having more to do with how the guys in AAA/AA are doing, and of course, where we are in the playoff race.

2.  "Bad" Wil:  This would be pretty bad.  He would be essentially untradeable at deadline, but couldn't remove him from roster.  Really would have no choice but to just keep playing him, hope he turns it around in 2nd 1/2, and revisit the entire issue yet again in the offseason.  If he has a career worst year, we are stuck with him on 26-man even if we bench him.  That could easily be the very large 'straw' that gets Preller fired.

Yeah that's the downside.

If he continues to not hit he becomes a $20mil a season backup 1b/OF that we'd be stuck with.

But I can't see how he won't at least match what he did last year(which wasn't good but) while his contract gets shorter and shorter.

 

 

Quote from JasonE135 on February 21, 2020, 2:52 pm

Why trade Will if we have nobody to replace him? Yes, he is not giving us close to $20 million in value, but he is what we have Do we have anyone else who we can be reasonably sure will give us 20/20? He is more likely than not to put up the second best numbers in our OF this year. Sure, trading him will save ownership $10 million a year over the next 3(I am guessing the most anyone will pay of his contract will be half). That will cost us Quantrill at the very least! Discounting his last month Quantrill had a 3.32 ERA last year. That is a very impressive number.

If we try to replace Myers with somebody else already on our roster, that player will most likely put up worse numbers than Myers would have. I know we would all like to hope for breakout performances from Grisham, Cordero and Naylor, but none of them can be counted on. Even if we picked up Senzel, he would cost us multiple top prospects and he put up the same numbers as Myers last year.

Let's say Senzel costs us Patino, takes a big step forward this year and hits .270/.350 20/20. We trade half of Myers and include Quantrill. Either one of those trades could easily cost more. Those are minimum estimates. So what do we have? We have lost both Quantrill and Patino (11 seasons of two pitchers who I believe will both put up multiple seasons with ERA's under 4.00) in return for an increase of 30pts in BA and 30pts in OBP if we are lucky. It just doesn't seem anywhere near worth it.