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If Quantrill doesn't make the rotation IMO he needs to be in AA proving his worth.

We can't put him in AAA to get rocked and lose any/all his trade value.

Right now he "is" #6 as you said....which is very important because of risk of injury,but soon Gore/Patino will be ready and guys like Bolanos/Baez/Morejon could also surpass him on the depth chart.

But putting him in the Pen will lose trade value and AAA would probably destroy it.

 

I'm wondering which pitchers "do" get placed in EP.....

Quantrill really presents a question for the Padres .... yes POTENTIAL to be an effective ML SP but did not secure that role after a 2019 that had a very good spell and a very unproductive spell. Not a “kid” at age 25. Could Quantrill be a better Padre option for the #5 SP over Lucchesi in 2020? Does Lucchesi have better trade value now knowing that Gore, Patino, et al are the future anyway?

As a buyer ... how do I value his potential vs. his 18 starts with a 5+ERA? Even if I see him as a viable #4-5 SP do I see my Top 100 prospect providing more long term upside ... especially if not going to contend in 2020. Potential vs. potential and usually you go with your own.

Think Quantrill has to prove more in the ML to secure the level of trade value of any Top 100 prospect.

Quote from MrPadre19 on February 13, 2020, 11:02 am

If Quantrill doesn't make the rotation IMO he needs to be in AA proving his worth.

We can't put him in AAA to get rocked and lose any/all his trade value.

Right now he "is" #6 as you said....which is very important because of risk of injury,but soon Gore/Patino will be ready and guys like Bolanos/Baez/Morejon could also surpass him on the depth chart.

But putting him in the Pen will lose trade value and AAA would probably destroy it.

 

I'm wondering which pitchers "do" get placed in EP.....

Not sure that a 25 year old that spent 1/2 of 2019 as a ML SP will build much value pitching in AA even IF effective. Definitely AAA would be a disaster.

Sort of to the point ... 1. He gets the #5 SP (Lucchesi gets dealt), 2. He sticks as the long RP / spot starter and first in due to injury in #1-5, or 3. Trade him for the best deal out there and move on.

To me he will be passed by the others in the queue during 2020 so no real value of having in the minors just not to make the team in 2021.

Agree that CF has the potential to be a real problem ... but maybe offensively more than defensively.

Padres seem to be going all in Grisham who has some decent defensive metrics as a CF (jumps, range) ...my concern his ML bat.

Don’t want to see Myers in CF (should have learned our lesson) and have no idea on Cordero’s ability to stay healthy but if healthy do think he will hit RHP.

Both are LHH ... Bradley is a LHH who hit .199 away form Fenway and whose defense has declined to maybe “average”. At least Lagares is a RHH who also has diminished defensive skills and could argue is a better hitter than Bradley ... now.

Barring some real bad showings (or injuries) in ST ... would expect to see Grisham / Cordero paying a lot in CF for the early part of 2020 and only see Lagares “in case of emergency”.

Again random comments out of the Padres seem to suggest Myers will get time in CF against LHP and get some time at 1B against LHP.

Now Myers is athletic but that is not easy to cover both CF and 1B against LHP. Then who goes to RF ... the better options are, yes, LHH so where in the platooning upside.

Passing on the “incomplete” suggestion, once again frustrated with the Padres just off handedly think moving Myers around is a good idea ... has not been for four years ... learn and just “try” the alternative and sit him in one spot in the field (RF where he has a chance to be OK) and lower in the batting order to keep him out of a pressure situation (at least until he shows more offensive productivity).

The curse of Maddon and Zobrist.

I guess I just think we're all idiots if we start complaining about Cordero making an error in CF that costs us a game... what do we THINK is going to happen?

There's a lot to be said for a guy like Cordero being out of the scrutiny spotlight playing EVERY DAY in front of a few thousand people in Minors DEVELOPING his defensive & offensive ability where the leash isn't so short for a mistake on a team/GM under maybe more pressure than any other non playoff team to show improvement this year.

Even though it's not ideal (for him), I'm OK with Josh Naylor being on bench as 4th/5th OF/PH.  NOT OK with Cordero in that role;  he has elite potential.  Has to play (& prove while doing so he can stay on field) to realize it.  His age & time in Minors are irrelevant... basically hasn't played in 2 years, and he was a "raw", "green" type prospect before that due to recent OF conversion!

 

Grisham/Myers platoon in CF and Myers/Cordero platoon in RF?

Keep Myers and Cordero out of CF in places with cavernous outfields like Coors.

Hope we can trade Myers at the deadline or next off season and that Cordero shows he can stay healthy and Trammell shows he can hit.

The issue is if Myers rebounds and builds enough value that another team would not only want him but want him as an "upgrade" would mean he's performing well enough that "we" may need him.

I mean.....once the season starts forget the money....its about producing and winning games.

 

 

Just listened to an interview with Ron Fowler (Preller has to hate this).

Basically, Fowler implied there may be another move (or more) before opening day to fill positions of need and excess RP will be in the mix as trade chips.

Also, said they are at the payroll level now that they plan to be at.

He did not identify what the thought were positions of need.

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I guess if a) they are going to fill a position of need with any level of ML talent ... that will require more payroll, unless b) they deal Myers and/or Yates and/or Hedges to clear some payroll space.

Likely that also means utilizing a number of prospects to convince another team to give up talent and take contracts back.

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Bryant for RF? Merrifield for 2B? Contreras for C? Archer for SP? Samardzija for SP? Cueto for SP?  .....................

I would think 2B would lead the list of potential upgrades. I seem to remember Preller stating that Profar was seen as a super UTIL guy and not necessarily as the starting 2B, leaving the position wide open. A CF would be next on the list, but we at least have some potential bats there to plug in. Can't imagine we'd target a major rotation upgrade this late, though. At least not one that doesn't fall in our laps. (definitely say no to Archer, btw)

Quote from fenn68 on February 13, 2020, 1:40 pm

Just listened to an interview with Ron Fowler (Preller has to hate this).

Basically, Fowler implied there may be another move (or more) before opening day to fill positions of need and excess RP will be in the mix as trade chips.

Also, said they are at the payroll level now that they plan to be at.

He did not identify what the thought were positions of need.

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I guess if a) they are going to fill a position of need with any level of ML talent ... that will require more payroll, unless b) they deal Myers and/or Yates and/or Hedges to clear some payroll space.

Likely that also means utilizing a number of prospects to convince another team to give up talent and take contracts back.

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Bryant for RF? Merrifield for 2B? Contreras for C? Archer for SP? Samardzija for SP? Cueto for SP?  .....................

If this is true you have to consider Yates.

Trading for Pagan would then make more sense.

Yates would have a lot of value and clear some payroll.

I’m not saying we “should” trade him.....but if we aren’t done then he has to be considered an option for a move.