Quote from onlypads on January 10, 2020, 1:02 pm

Quote from 3fingersplit on January 10, 2020, 11:47 am

I hate when people hijack a thread......this TB trade thing belongs in the Non-Padres stuff......who cares what TB did or what the Cardinals did ?

What did the Padres do via trade ?

I thought that was the topic for this thread

Pot please meet Kettle.

Quote from fenn68 on January 10, 2020, 1:31 pm

Might help temper the expectation of a mega return for some of the Padres’ “nice” prospects if the #41 prospect in MLB gets a 31 year old 1B/DH and a prospect that was in the #10 zone for STL (45 rating).

Maybe explains why a better player like Marte is still in PITT ... they have to want more. Then not even in the zone would be deals for Clevenger or Lindor.

 

Quote from Commie on January 10, 2020, 4:08 pm

Quote from fenn68 on January 10, 2020, 1:31 pm

Might help temper the expectation of a mega return for some of the Padres’ “nice” prospects if the #41 prospect in MLB gets a 31 year old 1B/DH and a prospect that was in the #10 zone for STL (45 rating).

Maybe explains why a better player like Marte is still in PITT ... they have to want more. Then not even in the zone would be deals for Clevenger or Lindor.

 

Did see in Longenhagen's chat today that Libertorre's fastball sink was a surprise after he signed that may have hurt his upside among scouts, so value to those in the know may not be as high as media prospect lists have it.  Did AJ know this when he drafted Weathers?

Quote from fenn68 on January 15, 2020, 2:03 pm

Houston with an old team ... no farm system ... and losing draft choices / Boston with some key near term FA ... some underperforming big ticket players ... no farm system ... and likely losing draft choices once MLB finishes it investigation .......... at some point do they seek to replenish their farm systems by either dealing some ML quality talent or taking a bad contract in exchange for some of the Padres' less than elite (but quality) prospects?

Probably not this winter as they need to keep their fans engaged and they have the talent to competed ... but maybe at the trade deadline or next winter. Padres will have a bit of upper level congestion of prospects at that point that may not need more minor league time (e.g. Morejon, Lawson, Baez, Bolanos, etc) but have some trade appeal to a prospect starved team.

Maybe a home for Myers?

Just another potential route to upgrade the roster to really contend in 2021.

Quote from BoosterSD on January 15, 2020, 5:43 pm

Quote from fenn68 on January 15, 2020, 2:03 pm

Houston with an old team ... no farm system ... and losing draft choices / Boston with some key near term FA ... some underperforming big ticket players ... no farm system ... and likely losing draft choices once MLB finishes it investigation .......... at some point do they seek to replenish their farm systems by either dealing some ML quality talent or taking a bad contract in exchange for some of the Padres' less than elite (but quality) prospects?

They did start discussing this today on MLB on XM, didnt hear the conclusion. They were speculating how BOS could use this as a turning point. Hey we just got hit with fines, loss of draft picks, and such, and use that as a springboard for their new wunderkid to do his "Tampa Thing" and reload/reboot. They were speculating that this could be an "out" to make it easier to trade Betts.

So maybe you are not far off.

Quote from Ben Davey on January 17, 2020, 11:58 pm

There was a rumor floated around the internet a few days ago about the Mets being interested in Hedges.  It sounds more like a Hacksaw thing than a real rumor, but found it interesting.  The Mets are in need of a catcher that can work with their great pitchers.

I guess the question is, what is Hedges value, and what would the Padres want in return?  I'd guess a complex kid to try and pull off another Tatis Jr deal and if they dont pan out its fine.  Padres would then go into camp with Mejia/Torrens as the catchers.  Torrens might not be Hedges behind the plate, but is really good.

Quote from fenn68 on January 18, 2020, 5:02 am

Quote from Ben Davey on January 17, 2020, 11:58 pm

There was a rumor floated around the internet a few days ago about the Mets being interested in Hedges.  It sounds more like a Hacksaw thing than a real rumor, but found it interesting.  The Mets are in need of a catcher that can work with their great pitchers.

I guess the question is, what is Hedges value, and what would the Padres want in return?  I'd guess a complex kid to try and pull off another Tatis Jr deal and if they dont pan out its fine.  Padres would then go into camp with Mejia/Torrens as the catchers.  Torrens might not be Hedges behind the plate, but is really good.

Hedges to the METS ... had not really considered that ... makes some sense for the METS to pair a top defensive catcher with their incumbent Wilson Ramos (plus hit but so-so defense). They need a legit second catcher to split time with Ramos and be available if Ramos in injured ... don’t think they have that now.

METS are looking to be a legit contender ... clearly an elite 1-5 SP staff and their offense is set up to be in the upper 1/3rd of MLB. A Ramos injury could hurt them a lot in that quest if without a ML quality replacement.

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I could see Preller being OK with a Mejia / Torrens combo to provide more offense to an offensive starved club but being OK keeping Hedges (for now) if the return is not to his likening. With Hedges he is “selling” an elite defensive catcher with 3 years control and a manageable $3MM salary ... offset by limited offense value. METS to seem the type of team with elite pitching and sufficient hitting to cover Hedges’ shortcomings.

Agree the target return could well be a non-roster DSL/Rookie Ball type with major upside (Preller is good with those deals).

If the rumor had some basis in fact ... guess neither side felt a sense of urgency so Preller asked high and METS offered low ... no deal for now. Do see the logic for that to be revisited before the season starts.

Quote from Commie on January 18, 2020, 4:33 pm

Quote from fenn68 on January 18, 2020, 5:02 am

Quote from Ben Davey on January 17, 2020, 11:58 pm

There was a rumor floated around the internet a few days ago about the Mets being interested in Hedges.  It sounds more like a Hacksaw thing than a real rumor, but found it interesting.  The Mets are in need of a catcher that can work with their great pitchers.

I guess the question is, what is Hedges value, and what would the Padres want in return?  I'd guess a complex kid to try and pull off another Tatis Jr deal and if they dont pan out its fine.  Padres would then go into camp with Mejia/Torrens as the catchers.  Torrens might not be Hedges behind the plate, but is really good.

Hedges to the METS ... had not really considered that ... makes some sense for the METS to pair a top defensive catcher with their incumbent Wilson Ramos (plus hit but so-so defense). They need a legit second catcher to split time with Ramos and be available if Ramos in injured ... don’t think they have that now.

METS are looking to be a legit contender ... clearly an elite 1-5 SP staff and their offense is set up to be in the upper 1/3rd of MLB. A Ramos injury could hurt them a lot in that quest if without a ML quality replacement.

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I could see Preller being OK with a Mejia / Torrens combo to provide more offense to an offensive starved club but being OK keeping Hedges (for now) if the return is not to his likening. With Hedges he is “selling” an elite defensive catcher with 3 years control and a manageable $3MM salary ... offset by limited offense value. METS to seem the type of team with elite pitching and sufficient hitting to cover Hedges’ shortcomings.

Agree the target return could well be a non-roster DSL/Rookie Ball type with major upside (Preller is good with those deals).

If the rumor had some basis in fact ... guess neither side felt a sense of urgency so Preller asked high and METS offered low ... no deal for now. Do see the logic for that to be revisited before the season starts.

Mets are set with Nido and Ramos.  So you guys are good with Torrens starting for a "contender?" That's what you get for an extended period at some point when Mejia gets hurt. Because that's what C do and why teams are carrying two starter quality C on the 26. Any Hedges move has to be offset with a new ML ready C coming from somewhere not Amarillo.

Quote from fenn68 on January 18, 2020, 5:21 pm

Quote from Commie on January 18, 2020, 4:33 pm

Quote from fenn68 on January 18, 2020, 5:02 am

Quote from Ben Davey on January 17, 2020, 11:58 pm

There was a rumor floated around the internet a few days ago about the Mets being interested in Hedges.  It sounds more like a Hacksaw thing than a real rumor, but found it interesting.  The Mets are in need of a catcher that can work with their great pitchers.

I guess the question is, what is Hedges value, and what would the Padres want in return?  I'd guess a complex kid to try and pull off another Tatis Jr deal and if they dont pan out its fine.  Padres would then go into camp with Mejia/Torrens as the catchers.  Torrens might not be Hedges behind the plate, but is really good.

Hedges to the METS ... had not really considered that ... makes some sense for the METS to pair a top defensive catcher with their incumbent Wilson Ramos (plus hit but so-so defense). They need a legit second catcher to split time with Ramos and be available if Ramos in injured ... don’t think they have that now.

METS are looking to be a legit contender ... clearly an elite 1-5 SP staff and their offense is set up to be in the upper 1/3rd of MLB. A Ramos injury could hurt them a lot in that quest if without a ML quality replacement.

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I could see Preller being OK with a Mejia / Torrens combo to provide more offense to an offensive starved club but being OK keeping Hedges (for now) if the return is not to his likening. With Hedges he is “selling” an elite defensive catcher with 3 years control and a manageable $3MM salary ... offset by limited offense value. METS to seem the type of team with elite pitching and sufficient hitting to cover Hedges’ shortcomings.

Agree the target return could well be a non-roster DSL/Rookie Ball type with major upside (Preller is good with those deals).

If the rumor had some basis in fact ... guess neither side felt a sense of urgency so Preller asked high and METS offered low ... no deal for now. Do see the logic for that to be revisited before the season starts.

Mets are set with Nido and Ramos.  So you guys are good with Torrens starting for a "contender?" That's what you get for an extended period at some point when Mejia gets hurt. Because that's what C do and why teams are carrying two starter quality C on the 26. Any Hedges move has to be offset with a new ML ready C coming from somewhere not Amarillo.

Doubt the METS are "set" with Nido and would upgrade that 2nd catcher if they could. Nido is 25 and only has managed 230 ML ABs with a line of 187/222/291 ... not the profile of a 2nd catcher on a legit contender with an elite SP staff. They need a veteran 2nd catcher with Nido in reserve in AAA.

Not sure Hedges is their best solution but he has proven elite defense as a veteran and may be their only upgrade option ... offense slightly better (but not much) over Nido with 1163 ML ABs Hedges slash line is a paltry 201/257/360.

Now you can say the same thing about the Padres if you think they are a legit contender in 2020 rather than a pretender and agree that Torrens deserves time in AAA.

For me if a good return can be had for Hedges (and I doubt that will happen) ... I have no issue dealing Hedges and maybe signing Hundley as a FA as the veteran 2nd catcher giving Torrens some AAA time before moving up the the ML.