Quote from fenn68 on October 10, 2019, 6:45 am

Quote from David Nevin on October 10, 2019, 6:05 am

If we are going to package a prospect or prospects with Myers just to move his contract it needs to be to someone willing to take multiple prospects in the 10-15 range rather than one of our top prospects otherwise it will hurt more than help us.

First....I'm not willing to lose Gore/Patino/Campusano/etc. just to save money.

Second...this would have the added affect of making 40 man space for the next couple seasons.

What is the best prospect you guys are willing to give up to move Myers if we assume we pay 1/2 of his salary?

 

Quantrill - Bolanos - Lawson - Baez (one or two given the near term prospects that remain in Gore - Patino - Morejon). Plus if the assumption is that the extra payroll spaced is use for adding that illusive #1 SP ... would consider Lauer in the mix.

If the buyer preferred ... put on the table Olivares, Cordero, France, Allen ...

Not all to be clear but somewhat of a mix and match with the Padres really not being disadvantaged with any combination that the buyer would prefer. The mix is impacted by the amount of Myers’ contract the buyer takes.

I would assume that the buyer will lean towards near term, long control options for immediate help and as a building block for the future.

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Now IF the buyer has a player that may interest the Padres (e.g. Boyd from Detroit) ... the Padres could add more to the deal such as Morejon and maybe upgrade from Lauer to Lucchesi while include an additional player from the base list.

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Totally agree that moving Myers is not nearly enough motivation to use one of the real future elite prospects such as Gore, Patino, Trammell, Abrams, Campusano, and in a Myers deal would not use Edwards or Arias just to save money.

 

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 10, 2019, 7:01 am

Padres already willing to eat $10 mil per on Myers.. Don't think you need to attach anything to him to trade him at $10 mil per..with us eating the other $10 mil.. Let alone top 20 specs.. Only if aomeone took 100% of Myers would I do an add.. And like I said.. He is better packaged in a trade for a Star bat or SP.. With prospects in an effort to offset $$ coming in (or potential $$ coming in like Betts arb 3 $30mil)

Quote from hoffy51 on October 10, 2019, 7:01 am

As far as a left handed hitting outfielder. After things settle down, I would sit down with the Dodgers and see if NOW they are willing to trade Alex Verdugo for Yates. You would think they would get tired of the same thing over and over again.

Quote from MrPadre19 on October 10, 2019, 7:57 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 10, 2019, 6:33 am

I like the idea of trading Myers in a package for a Star.... Something like Kris Bryant for Myers + Morejon + Lucchesi + Patino + Torrens ... Cubs get an OF/1B that can play anywhere in the OF at Wigley . still has upside to pit it all together and can at least = power output of Bryant.. Morejon the price to take on Myers $$.. Lucchesi gives them a solid 3/4 SP ready now.. And Patino is one of the elite P prospects I'm the game ..Torrens looks like at least anserviceable backup if not an everyday option down the line.. Not sure thats enough for Bryant (while taking on Myers) but Kris comes home to roost.. Can give Manny a blow 10 or so games and start another 10 while Manny plays a few at SS.. Give Hosmer time off at 1B 30 or so games vs the toughest lefties.. And play 90 games in LF... So 20 at 3B/ 30 at 1B and 90 in LF (could DH another 8..giving him only 82 in LF) he stays healthy and fresh whike giving Pads great flex

 

Bryant is under control for 20 and 21 as well and is the type of bat and high OBP approach we need

I could live with a deal like this but I think that's a little too much rather than not enough.

Myers/Morejon/Lucchesi/low level prospect should be enough IMO....adding Patino is too much IMO.

Or Myers/Morejon/Patino/low level prospect.

I'm thinking Lucchesi has more value than Padre fans believe.

 

Quote from Brian Connelly on October 10, 2019, 11:44 am

Quote from David Nevin on October 10, 2019, 6:05 am

If we are going to package a prospect or prospects with Myers just to move his contract it needs to be to someone willing to take multiple prospects in the 10-15 range rather than one of our top prospects otherwise it will hurt more than help us.

First....I'm not willing to lose Gore/Patino/Campusano/etc. just to save money.  agree

Second...this would have the added affect of making 40 man space for the next couple seasons.

What is the best prospect you guys are willing to give up to move Myers if we assume we pay 1/2 of his salary?

 

Answer:  MLB LHP with proven "value" i.e. Lauer or Lucchesi.  They offer enough low cost upside/value propostion to "soak up" a lot of Myers' contract.  Only the premium prospects like Gore would offer much offset; but SP in MLB even #4-5 guys playing for minimum have real value.   I proposed just Myers + L or L + maybe a non-specified prospect, but outside of MLB top 100, with essentially nothing back should be worth 45 MM.  Pads are in a position to make that deal with Gore on the way pushing someone else down depth chart.

I posted a proposed trade for Betts on the wrong ("Offseason") thread...

Quote from MrPadre19 on October 12, 2019, 6:38 am

Would something be possible with Boston for a Myers for Bradley Jr deal?

Bradley is due like $12 mil I believe and doesn’t offer much offense but he’s left handed and a good defender.

Myers might destroy the Green Monster and come back to life in the AL.
Boston is trying to lower payroll so we would still have to add $ but this might work as a bridge to Trammell.

 

Quote from fenn68 on October 12, 2019, 7:36 am

Quote from David Nevin on October 12, 2019, 6:38 am

Would something be possible with Boston for a Myers for Bradley Jr deal?

Bradley is due like $12 mil I believe and doesn’t offer much offense but he’s left handed and a good defender.

Myers might destroy the Green Monster and come back to life in the AL.
Boston is trying to lower payroll so we would still have to add $ but this might work as a bridge to Trammell.

 

Not sure that Jankowski at about $2MM would not offer better value than Bradley at $12MM as a platoon with Margot.

From Boston's side, a good chance they just non-tender Bradley as part of the payroll streamlining. So, if the Padres were interested in Bradley they could sign him as a FA for a lot less. Taking any part of Myers' contract (and certainly for 3 years) probably does not fit Boston's plan. Guessing they may try to keep that salary space open to make a major bid to re-sign Betts as a FA after next season.

I guess taking Myers MIGHT be an option if Martinez opts out ... creating more payroll space and a need for a RHH. If that opens discussion ... think the Myers plus prospects would be the best route for Boston and just non-tender Bradley.

Quote from fenn68 on October 12, 2019, 8:02 am

As much as I would be fine with moving Myers and most (if not all) of his contract, trying not to be so focused on moving Myers so as to "overpay" for that move.

As bad, frustrating as Myers is ... his history is still that of a 1.0 WAR player. Given that the current alternatives all have their own question marks trying to cover all three OF slots, Padres may be better off working through another year of Myers (until alternatives really arrive) and move him when his contract is less burdensome.

So, it is salary relief that is the key (so no bad contracts in return) but even then ... easy to assume that salary relief would be used for an added upgrade BUT it takes two to make that happen and no guarantee that the Padres could actually signing those targets.

Since no team is going to take Myers (and his contract) and give us any quality piece in return ... still think the only realistic route is linking Myers with some quality (but not the elite) prospects ... players such as Quantrill, Lauer, Lawson, Bolanos, et. al to a team that has money and needs prospects.

Still like the possibility of a Detroit deal following that model. The wrinkle in that deal may be Preller trying to make the deal much bigger (in terms of prospects included) by getting Detroit to add Boyd (LHP ... longer control, low cost). Boyd had a great start poor end to 2019 but his peripherals stayed strong and he actually was among the top 5 elite in swing and misses on the slider. Maybe not a #1 but could be an upper rotation piece for the Padres.

Quote from fenn68 on October 12, 2019, 8:14 am

Following a similar line of thought ... how about a "reverse Headley" deal using Kinsler if clearing Kinsler's $3.750MM would be useful in a FA signing.

Kinsler and a prospect or Kinsler and a more valuable ML player for little or no return?

If it is a prospect, it would be like buying a prospect by the other team and $3.750MM is not an excessive cost for that.

If it is a ML player, it would be like paying for a FA for a needed spot.

Both cases Kinsler's performance is irrelevant (but may have some use by the buyer) and boils down to paying $3.750MM to acquire an asset ... and that is not a lot for most teams even for marginal players.

Padres have a need to shed 40 man roster candidates ... have a lot of quality "excess" prospects .... might be a good strategy to clear payroll space. Achieve that with both Myers and Kinsler .... while not damaging the prime players needed for the future (or even 2020) ... and the Padres can focus more sharply on filling those remaining holes with quality upgrades.