Quote from fenn68 on October 9, 2019, 12:37 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on October 9, 2019, 12:17 pm

Quote from fenn68 on October 9, 2019, 11:53 am

Not really interested in taking a bad contract in return for Myers ... not at this point in the Padres evolution. IF they want to contend in 2020-21, don’t want to waste a roster spot on a maybe / if rebound player for experimentation.

Would push the additional prospects with Myers to maximize the salary savings which could be redeployed for the FA adds.

=====

I know this may be considered heresy but other than some RP (Hand, Yates, Stammen) ... how may SP have had major turnarounds under Balsley? Is his record of getting more out of the pitchers that much better than other pitching coaches out there?

Not that he is not a good pitching coach but maybe over estimating the results end of his work. Maybe very good on the margin ... but all pitching coaches need the base talent to be successful.

Balsley hasn't had any starters to work with. We have been playing musical starting pitchers every year during his tenure. He has had nothing but cast offs and garbage to work with. The only talent he has had to work with are rookies, so we have no pitching history to compare current results to.

So why take another castoff / garbage with a large contract and then expect a different result? (Side: don’t think any pitching coach will take bad and make it very good in a veteran pitcher ..... baring some luck). Get good pitchers then we can see the value of Balsley.

I don’t want another Hughes ... or Mitchell ... or Lyles ... or Cozart ... or Cashner ... or Shields  ... even on the staff eating up a roster spot or payroll and being a detriment to winning not an asset.

My point was use the prospects to by down Myers’ liability remaining to the Padres rather than replacing Myers (even in part) with a new salary liability. Need the salary space to go directly at a better 2020 player.

Possible that an aggressive deal to get most of Myers salary taken coupled with an aggressive non-tender / trade strategy on “marginal” assets could well create enough money to sign a Cole or Strasburg without significantly increasing total payroll ... thus leaving room, if they want, to still sign someone like Dickerson for the LHH OF.

Quote from JasonE135 on October 9, 2019, 1:15 pm

I don't want to take on any bad contracts. We cannot get better by trading one underperforming player for another. I think we should either find a package of prospects that can convince another team to take a part of Myers contract or we keep him. I am sure ownership already knows what they are willing to spend next year. We will be lucky if we can trade Myers so we can get an additional $10 million. But even if that gives us enough money to sign Cole I don't think that would be the best use of our resources. We lost a lot of games this year where we had good or great pitching performances because we had no offense. I am sure that will be AJ's focus. One great hitter can elevate a whole lineup. Look at Tatis. We were good to great overall with him, terrible without him.

Quote from fenn68 on October 9, 2019, 1:35 pm

Agree in theory but don't see that real impact offensive player on the FA market (and questionable one is really on the trade market).

Maybe to maximize BOTH adding offense and getting that #1 SP .... using the "excess" prospects with Myers to open payroll space ... add strategic non-tenders / DFA / trades ... to maximize payroll space ... go BIG for the best impact need available (i.e. Cole or Strasburg) ... then use the remaining payroll space to maybe sign Dickerson as a FA or trade for an impact bat (with salary) by using some excess pitching such as Lucchesi, Lauer, or Quantrill.

Of course this is also a theory ... and not at all easy to pull off ... and still has some gambles. Getting a true #1 sets up the #1 - Paddack - Lamet - Richards - plus one (Lauer or Lucchesi or Quantrill then soon replaced by Gore or Patino) ... that is solid. the INF / C is on the upside (and not likely going anywhere). So the risk is getting that premium OF filling one spot (to replace Myers) and potentially quality bodies out of the OF bodies not traded. One could be the upside gamble on Trammell (higher ceiling than the incumbents).

A potential strategy to improve more than one hole with quality.

 

Quote from JasonE135 on October 9, 2019, 1:51 pm

I love that plan. That would absolutely be ideal for this team at this point in time. I am just not sure if ownership will be willing to take on another 9-figure contract for the 4th year in a row. Another huge contract is starting to sound like Yankee type money. I know our new owners aren't the penny pitchers that the old ones were, but this is still a small market team.

Quote from fenn68 on October 9, 2019, 2:12 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on October 9, 2019, 1:51 pm

I love that plan. That would absolutely be ideal for this team at this point in time. I am just not sure if ownership will be willing to take on another 9-figure contract for the 4th year in a row. Another huge contract is starting to sound like Yankee type money. I know our new owners aren't the penny pitchers that the old ones were, but this is still a small market team.

Well didn't think they would put up those bucks for Machado or Hosmer (certainly not both). If they could work this out they may still be in the $130-140MM range (maybe less depending on the bat they add). As I recall part of the signing logic of those two (too soon in my mind) was they were available for the long term and the organization was not going to just sit and wait for the chance a similar player would be available to them in the years they wanted to contend. The bird in the hand value proposition.

Depends on how much they want to contend in the next two years ... and don't see much on the FA market next season and as much as I like the upside of Trammell, Gore, and Patino .... they will still be young and maturing during those seasons so still risks to be playoff contender quality that soon.

This may be the year to make the last BIG splash signing(s) for a few years and would allow for 2020 (if they don't contend) go get all the key parts settled in for a real push in 2021.

Quote from BoosterSD on October 9, 2019, 2:18 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on October 9, 2019, 1:51 pm

I love that plan. That would absolutely be ideal for this team at this point in time. I am just not sure if ownership will be willing to take on another 9-figure contract for the 4th year in a row. Another huge contract is starting to sound like Yankee type money. I know our new owners aren't the penny pitchers that the old ones were, but this is still a small market team.

Dont forget that even after signing Manny last off season, there was rumor SD was still toying with the idea of getting Harper. Real or not, that was national buzz that I heard here in PHX. So, even if it was partially true, or Boras spew, IF Fowler was willing to write another $300M+ check, one for Cole at $210M should be easy. 🙂

Quote from JasonE135 on October 9, 2019, 2:44 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on October 9, 2019, 2:18 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on October 9, 2019, 1:51 pm

I love that plan. That would absolutely be ideal for this team at this point in time. I am just not sure if ownership will be willing to take on another 9-figure contract for the 4th year in a row. Another huge contract is starting to sound like Yankee type money. I know our new owners aren't the penny pitchers that the old ones were, but this is still a small market team.

Dont forget that even after signing Manny last off season, there was rumor SD was still toying with the idea of getting Harper. Real or not, that was national buzz that I heard here in PHX. So, even if it was partially true, or Boras spew, IF Fowler was willing to write another $300M+ check, one for Cole at $210M should be easy.

I personally don't believe it. Boras is the ultimate rumor monger. He will say anything to get his clients more money. If he told me he is a man, I would guess he is a hermaphroditic dolphin. But that really doesn't matter. It's all about ownership. If they are willing to spend it I am sure AJ will spend it. If he doesn't, I am sure it is because ownership said no. It's not his money. There is no reason for him to hold back unless he gets a "no".

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 10, 2019, 4:26 am

I think if Stras hits FA he will be a Padre... Ive heard AJP loves the guy..

Quote from MrPadre19 on October 10, 2019, 6:05 am

If we are going to package a prospect or prospects with Myers just to move his contract it needs to be to someone willing to take multiple prospects in the 10-15 range rather than one of our top prospects otherwise it will hurt more than help us.

First....I'm not willing to lose Gore/Patino/Campusano/etc. just to save money.

Second...this would have the added affect of making 40 man space for the next couple seasons.

What is the best prospect you guys are willing to give up to move Myers if we assume we pay 1/2 of his salary?