Quote from TatisJr on December 12, 2019, 3:38 pm

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 12, 2019, 3:16 pm

So where do you suspect Morejon and Baez to pitch?

EP or Amarillo?

I just don’t want any of these guys in AAA but they can’t all pitch in Amarillo.

Gore-Patino-Morejon-Baez-Margavicius would be some kind of rotation in AA

Its obviously more trade value for the Padres and personal value for Baez if he starts. I understand that, but I’m a little bummed.  I was hoping to see him in ML BP to start 2020. He looked like he could be a dominate force in middle relief. I expect Margavicius is the only one in El Paso. He’s not a serous prospect like the others. I’m with you Mr.P, I don’t want and I doubt the Padres want any of their blue chip pitchers throwing in EP.

Quote from fenn68 on December 12, 2019, 3:39 pm

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 12, 2019, 3:16 pm

So where do you suspect Morejon and Baez to pitch?

EP or Amarillo?

I just don’t want any of these guys in AAA but they can’t all pitch in Amarillo.

Gore-Patino-Morejon-Baez-Margavicius would be some kind of rotation in AA

I could see Gore - Patino - Morejon - Baez - Lawson in AA ... at least to begin 2020.

AAA becomes a holding spot with Margevicius - Kennedy - Nix - Bachar - Schlotens - etc. .... not sure where to drop Bolanos.

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 12, 2019, 3:40 pm

I tried to point out that no one thought we “would” trade them but just that the more I thought about it the more excited I became for our rotation with them in it.

There has been some mention of including Patino in deals....I never thought it would happen but you never know.

If Preller felt there was even a 10% chance he would be out of a job after next season with a poor showing there’s no telling what he might consider on the trade market this offseason.

I was just reiterating what we basically all already agreed with....that we should keep them at “all costs”.

 

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 12, 2019, 3:44 pm

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 12, 2019, 3:16 pm

So where do you suspect Morejon and Baez to pitch?

EP or Amarillo?

I just don’t want any of these guys in AAA but they can’t all pitch in Amarillo.

Gore-Patino-Morejon-Baez-Margavicius would be some kind of rotation in AA

I think Baez opens the year in SD's pen... Morejon AA/AAA...

 

Also on this Price deal... I like it as follows... Red Sox send Price + Benintendi to SDP for Myers + Joey + Naylor

RedSox save $17 mil and can move JBJ (to another team) to stay under the Lux tax-- however they need to fill some of those positions-- Myers/Naylor fill in 2 and can play 1B/LF/RF and a little CF if needed especially in that small park... Joey covers 1 spot (Porcello or Price) and should give the Red Sox a controllable cheap reliable #4 or #5

Why Pads do this-- trading for a SP or signing one in FA is going to require = or more $$ or prospects than this transaction, especially when you factor in a Marte type OF'er also being traded for-- we keep our specs since Bosox would want more MLB ready/proven controllable cheap pieces like Naylor and Joey.. Pads kill 2 birds with one stone-- get a middle to middle top SP in Price (elite SO/9, solid BB/9 and great swing and miss strike rate in 2019) and with Petco and away from those banboxes in the AL East-- Price would be 3.50 ERA or lower TORish 1/2 type for SDP, and we know what a bulldog he can be in the postseason-- looking at the Net +$12.5 mil vs Wil over the next 3 seasons-- not as bad when you factor Richards ($8mil) + Oliveras ($8,5 mil drops after 2020) in essence being +$4mil in additional spending power from where we are today-- and thats not counting Kinsler + Hedges + Garcia and Profar all expiring or likely traded between now and next offseason.. Thats an additional $13 + mil dollars available for 2021... Benintendi is cheaper, younger and an ascending talent that kills Righties vs Marte.... I like the Price swap with Myers BUT not without Benintendi added to the deal

 

I mean the alternative trade for Kubler (more ?? than Price) +$17mil with Indians not taking Myers back and costing us prospects

Marte +$11.5 million again at a high spec cost

Myers being move to accomodate nearly $30 mil coming our way.. more specs...

 

Save our specs, and use them to add Whit to Beni + Price

Save our specs and add Contreras to Whit + Beni and Price

Trade Hedges + Kinsler + a couple specs for Marsh OF LAA (AA)

Call it an offseason

 

The last 3 moves a lot less likely to be made if we add Marte and a Kubler or Boyd type SP the spec cost and money added (not to mention the unloading of Myers/spec cost and $$) would almost make it impossible to do the last 3 moves without whiping out a 1/3 to 1/2 of our top 30 specs

 

Besides a SP like Price a lot easier to trade than an OF like Myers... down the line.. just judging by interest on PRICE (a lot) vs Myers (No one)...

 

JUST SAY YES to Price + Benintendi

Quote from TatisJr on December 12, 2019, 3:45 pm

Quote from fenn68 on December 12, 2019, 3:39 pm

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 12, 2019, 3:16 pm

So where do you suspect Morejon and Baez to pitch?

EP or Amarillo?

I just don’t want any of these guys in AAA but they can’t all pitch in Amarillo.

Gore-Patino-Morejon-Baez-Margavicius would be some kind of rotation in AA

I could see Gore - Patino - Morejon - Baez - Lawson in AA ... at least to begin 2020.

AAA becomes a holding spot with Margevicius - Kennedy - Nix - Bachar - Schlotens - etc. .... not sure where to drop Bolanos.

Think you nailed the AA rotation to start next year. Feel bad for the AA hitters that have to face that rotation.

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 12, 2019, 4:01 pm

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 12, 2019, 3:44 pm

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 12, 2019, 3:16 pm

So where do you suspect Morejon and Baez to pitch?

EP or Amarillo?

I just don’t want any of these guys in AAA but they can’t all pitch in Amarillo.

Gore-Patino-Morejon-Baez-Margavicius would be some kind of rotation in AA

I think Baez opens the year in SD's pen... Morejon AA/AAA...

 

Also on this Price deal... I like it as follows... Red Sox send Price + Benintendi to SDP for Myers + Joey + Naylor

RedSox save $17 mil and can move JBJ (to another team) to stay under the Lux tax-- however they need to fill some of those positions-- Myers/Naylor fill in 2 and can play 1B/LF/RF and a little CF if needed especially in that small park... Joey covers 1 spot (Porcello or Price) and should give the Red Sox a controllable cheap reliable #4 or #5

Why Pads do this-- trading for a SP or signing one in FA is going to require = or more $$ or prospects than this transaction, especially when you factor in a Marte type OF'er also being traded for-- we keep our specs since Bosox would want more MLB ready/proven controllable cheap pieces like Naylor and Joey.. Pads kill 2 birds with one stone-- get a middle to middle top SP in Price (elite SO/9, solid BB/9 and great swing and miss strike rate in 2019) and with Petco and away from those banboxes in the AL East-- Price would be 3.50 ERA or lower TORish 1/2 type for SDP, and we know what a bulldog he can be in the postseason-- looking at the Net +$12.5 mil vs Wil over the next 3 seasons-- not as bad when you factor Richards ($8mil) + Oliveras ($8,5 mil drops after 2020) in essence being +$4mil in additional spending power from where we are today-- and thats not counting Kinsler + Hedges + Garcia and Profar all expiring or likely traded between now and next offseason.. Thats an additional $13 + mil dollars available for 2021... Benintendi is cheaper, younger and an ascending talent that kills Righties vs Marte.... I like the Price swap with Myers BUT not without Benintendi added to the deal

 

I mean the alternative trade for Kubler (more ?? than Price) +$17mil with Indians not taking Myers back and costing us prospects

Marte +$11.5 million again at a high spec cost

Myers being move to accomodate nearly $30 mil coming our way.. more specs...

 

Save our specs, and use them to add Whit to Beni + Price

Save our specs and add Contreras to Whit + Beni and Price

Trade Hedges + Kinsler + a couple specs for Marsh OF LAA (AA)

Call it an offseason

 

The last 3 moves a lot less likely to be made if we add Marte and a Kubler or Boyd type SP the spec cost and money added (not to mention the unloading of Myers/spec cost and $$) would almost make it impossible to do the last 3 moves without whiping out a 1/3 to 1/2 of our top 30 specs

 

Besides a SP like Price a lot easier to trade than an OF like Myers... down the line.. just judging by interest on PRICE (a lot) vs Myers (No one)...

 

JUST SAY YES to Price + Benintendi

The issue is much more risk on Price than even Kluber and Ryu.

We could end up with 3 years of high cost for Price and not get anything if re-injured or doesn’t perform.

Also consider we could “dump” Myers as part of the deal and he could actually produce....he just turned 29 after all.

Its a sticky wicket.

If Benintendi is included AND he produces it would at least be a consolation if Price doesn’t.

Still very risky.

Im just worried a drop off from Benintendi and  rebound by Myers could make the whole thing a disaster.

 

 

Quote from JasonE135 on December 12, 2019, 4:50 pm

There was an article in the SDUT just yesterday(sorry no link) saying that both Morejon and Baez will be starting next year. They have both been cleared to throw and are full go training as starters.

Why would we even trade for another starter now? Price costs tons of money and is declining in value. He is a $32 million/year mid/bottom rotation starter. We have Richards, Paddack, Lamet, Davies, Lucchesie. We have Quantrill, Bolanos, Gore, Patino, Morejon, Baez and even Margevicius to fill in. Not everyone works out but we have 6 minor league starters who will all be ready to pitch for the Padres by the end of 2020. Even if just half of them work out, we add those 3 to Paddack and Lamet and we have an awesome rotation. Since we don’t know who will work out yet, shouldn’t we keep them all and maximize our chances? It sounds better than trading young guys with tons of cheap control and unlimited upside for overpriced, past their prime vets doesn’t it?

Therefore I am in complete agreement with Mr. P. We have all the pitching we could ever need. Let’s not make a trade just to make a trade.

Quote from JasonE135 on December 12, 2019, 5:01 pm

Personally I see Quantrill as being a serious likelihood to be a high quality long term rotation piece. Actually more likely than anyone other than Paddack and Gore. I would put Morejon right behind Patino. People that are so willing to trade him seem to forget that he was the best pitcher in Cuba. That might be harder than being the best pitcher in Texas and California combined.

Quote from TatisJr on December 12, 2019, 5:29 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on December 12, 2019, 4:50 pm

There was an article in the SDUT just yesterday(sorry no link) saying that both Morejon and Baez will be starting next year. They have both been cleared to throw and are full go training as starters.

Why would we even trade for another starter now? Price costs tons of money and is declining in value. He is a $32 million/year mid/bottom rotation starter. We have Richards, Paddack, Lamet, Davies, Lucchesie. We have Quantrill, Bolanos, Gore, Patino, Morejon, Baez and even Margevicius to fill in. Not everyone works out but we have 6 minor league starters who will all be ready to pitch for the Padres by the end of 2020. Even if just half of them work out, we add those 3 to Paddack and Lamet and we have an awesome rotation. Since we don’t know who will work out yet, shouldn’t we keep them all and maximize our chances? It sounds better than trading young guys with tons of cheap control and unlimited upside for overpriced, past their prime vets doesn’t it?

Therefore I am in complete agreement with Mr. P. We have all the pitching we could ever need. Let’s not make a trade just to make a trade.

I’m with you on Price. I want nothing to do with him. His stuff seems to be going down hill and he’s owed a ton. I’d much rather hold onto Myers and go with the current staff. If it was Chris Sale instead of Price, that’s a different story to me. I think Sale has ACE numbers left in him.
AJP has used prospects to acquire a 26 year old solid starter, two young athletic LHH OFs, two young middle INFs and Tommy Pham who only makes 8.6 mill or so next year and instantly became the teams 3rd best hitter. It’s not like AJP is  trading prospects for old overpaid scrubs. The guys linked to the Padres that I would like to see added; Whit, Marte, Contreras,Bryant, etc definitely don’t fall into the category of “overpriced, past their prime vets” so I don’t think you need to worry about that Jason.