Quote from BoosterSD on December 12, 2019, 8:27 am

Quote from TatisJr on December 12, 2019, 5:36 am

Hosmer isn’t going anywhere. His contract isn’t movable and he’s got a NTC. I’d prefer Merrifield to Marte.

I still wonder if KC would be interested in Hosmer as part of the deal back to KC. I was under the impression that KC was still in negotiations for Hosmer until we signed him. You would think that Hosmer would waive the NTC to go back to KC, and even if KC thought that he was only worth $17M per year, SD could either include an additional prospect of a small amount of cash to cover the difference of what we are paying Hosmer to the value that KC would have paid him.

The only issue at that time, is SD become RHH again, but as someone mentioned, if you can hit both sides pitching, it doesnt matter what side you bat from. So IF KC would take Hosmer back instead of Myers as AJP was rumored to be trying, then move Myers back to 1B, and then you can sign/trade for another OF or run with Cordero if he is healthy.

Quote from onlypads on December 12, 2019, 8:29 am

Quote from BoosterSD on December 12, 2019, 8:20 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 12, 2019, 7:37 am

I am worried we are trying too hard to deal Myers. The objective should be focused on moving the maximum contract liability ... secondarily moving Myers.

Giving up good prospects to move Myers but NOT much of his contract probably is not a good business proposition. As much as we can hypothesize about what the Padres could do with that money ... no certainty there (maybe the next Ian Kinsler). At some point there is a crossover point where the value of the prospects/players to the Padres exceed what ever they add with the "saved" money from Myers.

For 2020, I am OK if Preller can't move Myers for a reasonable price and give him a run in RF to rebound ... trade value can't apparently get worse.

SF just paid $13M for a prospect not even in MLB Pipeline top 100 in trading for Cozart, who hasnt really played in two years. I dont move Myers unless the other team is taking at least 50% of his contract. I think its fair, even at his current production, that he is a $10-12M a year player. Leaving about $30M plus or minus to cover with prospects. With SD system being better than ANA, that should not cost more than 2, maybe 3, prospects in the upper part of our mid tier prospects for the value of Myers to be "even".

If the other team is requiring more to finalize a trade, then I agree and keep Myers. Perhaps the combination of a new manager, one fielding position, and close to the same spot in the batting line up, gets Myers going again. I think he physically has the ability to play RF well, and at the plate, I think he is physically capable of a .265/.340 BA/OBP line with 25 HRs, 25 doubles, and 25 steals. If he does that, then he is close to the $20M mark that he is making.

And then he is either valuable to SD, or others teams will want him.

Is it just me or does it seem like every team that wants to work with us asks for the farm? The asks by potential trading partners, or at least what is represented as the ask, appear to be far more robust when working with us.

Also, I get really sick of on MLBTR posters saying that any deal with Myers starts with Gore.  That is laughable.

Quote from WindsorUK on December 12, 2019, 9:17 am

Not sure I'd package anyone with Myers.

Keep him and MAKE him play RF for 162 games.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 12, 2019, 10:59 am

Quote from WindsorUK on December 12, 2019, 9:17 am

Not sure I'd package anyone with Myers.

Keep him and MAKE him play RF for 162 games.

Myers is going to have a Headley type career year sooner or later 5 WAR like.. I have a feeling is going to be this year and it will be a red hot start thru June (like Bradley) followed by an ice cold 2nd half.. At 3/60 almost or no one wants him but at 2/40 or 2 1/2 /40 (of we pick up $10) and after a super hot start could actually make him not just a deadline chip but one that net us something of value.. Remember Ludwick..? A reversed Ludwick ttade

Quote from fenn68 on December 12, 2019, 11:24 am

Think the best chance to squeeze some value out of Myers is put him in RF ... DON'T shuffle him around ... he may be athletic enough but not sure that does much for his hitting. Then hit him 6th were the pressure is not as pronounced as in the middle or top of the order ... he may have the hitting potential but not at this point.

Tatis - Pham - Machado - Hosmer - Mejia all hitting ahead of him should be fine (better) letting him just be himself. Drop him another slot if Grisham and/or Profar hit.

If the Padres land Marte AND put him in CF ... Myers batting 7th also works.

Quote from BoosterSD on December 12, 2019, 11:42 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 12, 2019, 11:24 am

If the Padres land Marte AND put him in CF ... Myers batting 7th also works.

Just got to wonder how SD makes the money work with Machado, Hosmer, Myers, on the books and then adding the $11.5M of Marte.

I did a quick adjustment to my spreadsheet, and if SD was to add Marte, using Mejia as part of the trade to get Marte, keep Hedges at C, and use Torrens as the back up C. With Garcia/France as the back up INF, and then count Kinsler as dead money. I have them roughly at $150.25M for the start of 2020 season. Although, after the 2020 season, Kinsler, Oliveras, and the two buyouts are gone, and SD drops $13M to use in 2021.

Does SD go to $150M to start 2020?

Quote from Mike Turner on December 12, 2019, 12:05 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on December 12, 2019, 11:42 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 12, 2019, 11:24 am

If the Padres land Marte AND put him in CF ... Myers batting 7th also works.

Just got to wonder how SD makes the money work with Machado, Hosmer, Myers, on the books and then adding the $11.5M of Marte.

I did a quick adjustment to my spreadsheet, and if SD was to add Marte, using Mejia as part of the trade to get Marte, keep Hedges at C, and use Torrens as the back up C. With Garcia/France as the back up INF, and then count Kinsler as dead money. I have them roughly at $150.25M for the start of 2020 season. Although, after the 2020 season, Kinsler, Oliveras, and the two buyouts are gone, and SD drops $13M to use in 2021.

Does SD go to $150M to start 2020?

Not a huge savings but including Hedges as opposed to Mejia would save us 3 million.  I'm sure we could find a taker for Kinsler if we attach a mid-level prospect with him.  Angels essentially sold their #2 prospect at a 50FV for taking a 12.5 million dollar contract. You would think a 45FV would get it done and save us an additional 5.

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 12, 2019, 12:08 pm

Buddy Reed sent to the A's to complete the Profar trade.

I thought it was the Brewers we owed a PTBNL too?

 

Quote from Mike Turner on December 12, 2019, 12:11 pm

Pretty sure we owe to the Brewers and Tampa as well.