Quote from WindsorUK on July 25, 2019, 12:57 am

Agreed.

At some point you'd think AG's 30+ years in baseball would kick in and he'd go with what felt right at the moment, i.e. his instincts would kick in.

Still waiting.......

Quote from fenn68 on July 25, 2019, 6:48 am

Quote from David Nevin on July 24, 2019, 6:05 pm

Was thinking....who do you think will throw the Padres next complete game and in what year?

What is a “complete game”?

Watching the LAA-LAD game yesterday and they had a stat that listed the MLB average start going only 5.3 innings ... what triggered the mention was some fan issues with the LAD starters not going deep into games but apparently they are 2nd best at a 5.8 innings for starters (think WASH was #1 at 5.9).

Basically in MLB in this era ... no organization cares about complete games (or even really about going deep into games). Again the announcers brought up the better performance of a RP coming in vs. having the starter face a line-up a 3rd time.

Looks like that has a couple of impacts ... SP are not conditioned to go deep (so they can’t) and without a need to face a line-up 3X have less need to have an effective 3rd pitch or really know how to set-up hitters over multiple ABs. Basically, with that basis, they just go all out from the start .... don’t really develop command ... and still puts the 100 pitchers in 5-6 innings.

As for the next complete game form a Padres .... looking like Paddack has the inside track (some decent command keeping the pitches lower) and the complete game will be when he pitches his no hitter 🙂

Quote from WindsorUK on July 25, 2019, 12:16 pm

Hell, maybe the era of starting pitcher has come to an end?

We're seeing guys used as " openers". Pitching staff by committee? Maybe just 11/12 guys that can get through a lineup one time? 45-50 pitches per outing, guys pitching on a more frequent basis? Perhaps every 3 days?

Quote from fenn68 on July 25, 2019, 1:24 pm

Quote from WindsorUK on July 25, 2019, 12:16 pm

Hell, maybe the era of starting pitcher has come to an end?

We're seeing guys used as " openers". Pitching staff by committee? Maybe just 11/12 guys that can get through a lineup one time? 45-50 pitches per outing, guys pitching on a more frequent basis? Perhaps every 3 days?

You may be right on that ... 4 pitchers per night going once though the order every 3rd game and just throwing as hard as they can with the 13 arm as mop up when needed. Make each days set-up be a mixture of LHP and RHP with different pitch types and velocities ... hitters will not get a read on who is pitching. Bet the stats guys will embrace that idea.

Quote from BoosterSD on July 25, 2019, 1:47 pm

You have to wonder with this trend, whether or not MrP is on to something and just piggyback two starters each day. For instance, you could go, Paddock - Allen, Morejon - Quantril, Lamet - Strahm, Lauer - Baez, Luchessi-Perdomo. Each guy would go 3-5 innings based on effectiveness. And then you could decide on who to go to based on score. If it is a blow out in either direction, leave in the current pitcher. That would leave Stammen, Munoz, and Yates to close out/pitch tight games as per normal situations now.

 

Quote from 3fingersplit on July 25, 2019, 2:22 pm

LOL

I can see it now in Free agent discussion

agent : my client pitched 110 innings with a 2.27 era and a record of 0-0

team: how many games did he start

agent : 34

team : he started 34 games and has a 0-0

agent : he never pitched past the 3 innings but we fell his value is in the 18-20 mil a year range

team : cough cough.....we will get back to you

Quote from MrPadre19 on July 25, 2019, 3:07 pm

Not many teams would have the roster for multiple piggybacks but the Padres very well could.

Of course trades will probably happen but if this was their intent.......with all the arms on the way,we could literally have a 13 pitcher staff with 8-10 able to start or at least go multiple innings.

 

With the Moneyball concept in mind.......what’s next?

The team/s that figure out the “next” best thing first will have the advantage.

Maybe instead of what TB is doing it’s 8 starters who piggyback 4 games?

Righty/Lefty.

100 mph gas/finesse guy.

Side arm junk baller/knuckleballer.

Maybe were on to something ?

 

 

 

Quote from BoosterSD on July 25, 2019, 5:23 pm

Quote from 3fingersplit on July 25, 2019, 2:22 pm

LOL

I can see it now in Free agent discussion

agent : my client pitched 110 innings with a 2.27 era and a record of 0-0

team: how many games did he start

agent : 34

team : he started 34 games and has a 0-0

agent : he never pitched past the 3 innings but we fell his value is in the 18-20 mil a year range

team : cough cough.....we will get back to you

I can see the issue the agent would have with this scenario. However, a good agent would also start hitting the newer stats that a lot of the front office stat guys are using such as xfip and others. And get his client their money that way.

Quote from fenn68 on July 26, 2019, 6:21 am

Hot streak / cold streak ... small sample size .... near term bias OR an indication of future performance? Last 30 day performance could (should) have some influence on both trade deadline moves and strategy of 2020.

With the Padres being a poor offensive team, 3 positions have some debate on who is in the line-up going forward if they want to improve:

CORNER OF:

Reyes (71 AB) ........ 282/370/549 (920 OPS)

Renfroe (74 AB) .... 230/277/473 (750 OPS) ... that OBP is really poor for a corner OF and middle of the line-up bat. Upgrade needed here.

Catcher:

Mejia (54 AB) ..... 259/333/389 (722 OPS)

Hedges (37 AB) ... 189/262/324 (586 OPS) ... relegation to 2nd catcher and likely trade value is less than that as a back-up for the Padres ... defense is not enough.

Second Base:

Garcia (43 AB) .... 279/367/372 (739 OPS) ... more a part-timer than a starter

Kinsler (34 AB) ... 147/231/147 (378 OPS) ... closer to DFA than playing and that is good

Urias (16 AB) ....... 063/250/063 (313 OPS) ... out of contention he will (should) get the playing time ... nothing to prove in AAA. Looking at his entire ML season ... any trade value has been drastically reduced and 2B never have much in the first place. IF he is underwhelming for the rest of 2019 ... where do the Padres go in 2020?

Improve and stabilize those 3 positions and usually there is a ripple effect of improvement on the other 5 positions from a “longer” line-up.