Quote from Brian Connelly on June 20, 2019, 1:56 pm

Quote from fenn68 on June 20, 2019, 11:28 am

IF you discount Lauer's 2 starts in Colorado over his past 8 starts he has gone 6 starts / 36 innings / 9 ER ... a 2.25 ERA .... so he is not going anywhere.

As for the call up of Urias, does not seem they want to to that unless they are HIGHLY confident that he will perform and stick at the ML level and are basing that not on his PCL stats but on their view of his individual AB approach. The combine that with the fact Kinsler is actually hitting quite well over the past month or so and the team is still "in contention" ... not the best scenario for experimenting on the readiness of Urias. We may have to wait until some combo of the Padres falling out of contention and / or Kinsler slumping, getting injured, or traded. I would look more to a Sept call-up.

Hmmm... you're probably right on Lauer.  Colorado is tough on all P's, but it's CLEARLY in his head now when he's going there against a division rival... I don't like it & it was plainly clear Andy Green didn't either.

Totally disagree on Urias.  Kinsler turns 37 in 2 days.  He is not the future.  Urias is.  As previously posted, he's top 5 in PCL in major offensive categories even topping more highly rated prospects B. Rodgers & K. Hiura.  He's been in AAA for a year & a half.  It's hard with those results for me to understand what exactly it is he needs to do to get promoted.  Pads at this point have even gained an extra year of service time.  I would argue that at this point, the longer he's at AAA, the harder it is going to be for him to adjust to MLB pitching.

Kinsler was signed at a backup price hoping to start at 2B (with Urias at SS) until Tatis "was ready", then 3B when Tatis came up.  .....Then along came Machado.  I personally think of Kinsler's contract as just a tiny part of Machado's.  Almost no chance he would have signed with Pads if Machado had first.  But I don't advocate for just dumping Kinsler.  I really believe Pads can achieve what they're doing with an 8-man bullpen (some of whom will not be on 2020 team) now with 7 guys, but 3-4 available to call up... just have used that up recently with the P gyrations.  I get it doesn't work well to bring Urias up for the last 10 game stretch before ASB.

Maybe Pads will just take what they can get for Kinsler, but I'd rather keep him & be deep & have his advice/guidance available to Urias.  #1 reason to play Urias regularly in 2019 after ASB is to get the 2020 team on the field now... see if he can hit/OBP his way up to the #1 or #2 hole going into next year.  Want the 2020 team to hit the ground running "set" at as many positions and in batting order too if can.  I WANT him playing meaningful games "now", not just 'out of it' games in September.... if we are out of it.  What if we aren't?  Then how do you work him in?

 

 

Quote from fenn68 on June 20, 2019, 2:29 pm

Padres have to be in a bit of quandary with Kinsler and Urias. I would guess that they ... before the season ... did not expect that much out of Kinsler ... useful at 3B/2B but not that much of a factor with the reigns at SS/2B going to Tatis / Urias by about this time in the season. Made sense then. Then they sign Machado ... then Tatis is way ahead of schedule ... then Urias does not hit in the ML .... then Kinsler (after April) actually hits ... as a result they are in playoff contention (maybe not realistically in the end ... but as of now).

Not sure how the Padres could justify taking Kinsler out of the line-up while he is being productive ... how would that play with the rest of the team while they are trying to win ... then IF Urias plays as he did when up before and the Padres lose some key games ... whew!

A case of what may be good for Urias' development may not be good for the 2019 Padres .... at this point.

Did listen to someone (T.Gwynn I think) that an issue they are working on with Urias is his stride in his hitting approach ... he apparently had issues with better FB and "adjusting" his stride / getting his front foot down sooner (?) to help. No idea if that is true or where that "adjustment" stands.

Just not an easy or obvious call ... unless Kinsler flames out in the near term.

Quote from LynchMob on June 20, 2019, 3:54 pm

re: Urias ... no one is a bigger fan of him than me ... and so I keep a close eye on his line in AAA box scores ... my gut says ... he still K's too much ... I'm not impressed with the gaudy slash stats ... he's very OK getting a lot of AAA plate appearances and developing.  As long as Kinsler is not "death" (and he did sure seem close to that in April), I'm OK with him and Garcia keeping the position warm for Luis.

 

In case you missed it ... Gerardo Reyes is 4-0 with an ERA = 12.41 ... hmmm ... https://www.mlb.com/player/gerardo-reyes-622103

Quote from MrPadre19 on June 21, 2019, 5:21 pm

Quote from David Nevin on June 19, 2019, 2:57 pm

So that K of Arcia to end the top of the 5th is a perfect example of one of my “baseball pet peaves”.

On strike 3 you only have to throw the runner out at 1st base if the catcher “drops strike three”.

Most of the time they go through with the throw and the umpire  doesn’t call the batter out even though the ball only hit the ground....the Catcher never dropped it.

It bounced as he swung and the Catcher caught it clean.

What if the throw gets away will they give the hitter 1b even though the throw was never necessary in the 1st place?

It’s become common place for catchers to throw down to 1b just because they’re afraid the umpire will give him the bag when the pitch was never dropped.

Is it just me that this bothers?

Aren’t I interpreting the rule correctly?

 

So it is just me who wonders why they still have to throw down to First even when the ball isn’t dropped?

In this day of instant replay and “getting it right”......why is this never mentioned?

 

But I guess if no one else notices or cares I have my answer.

 

Quote from WindsorUK on June 21, 2019, 5:35 pm

Lauer again looking sharp: 5 innings, 4 hits, 1 run, 57 pitches.
Looks to be another assist for the bullpen here in that Lauer should be strong for another 2 if not 3 innings.

Quote from BoosterSD on June 21, 2019, 6:06 pm

Quote from David Nevin on June 21, 2019, 5:21 pm

Quote from David Nevin on June 19, 2019, 2:57 pm

So that K of Arcia to end the top of the 5th is a perfect example of one of my “baseball pet peaves”.

On strike 3 you only have to throw the runner out at 1st base if the catcher “drops strike three”.

Most of the time they go through with the throw and the umpire  doesn’t call the batter out even though the ball only hit the ground....the Catcher never dropped it.

It bounced as he swung and the Catcher caught it clean.

What if the throw gets away will they give the hitter 1b even though the throw was never necessary in the 1st place?

It’s become common place for catchers to throw down to 1b just because they’re afraid the umpire will give him the bag when the pitch was never dropped.

Is it just me that this bothers?

Aren’t I interpreting the rule correctly?

 

So it is just me who wonders why they still have to throw down to First even when the ball isn’t dropped?

In this day of instant replay and “getting it right”......why is this never mentioned?

 

But I guess if no one else notices or cares I have my answer.

 

Many times as a home plate umpire, you can have a hard time seeing whether the ball bounced or drop when its down low. So they will go on sound. I think a lot of C, better safe than sorry, throw down just in case it gets called a dropped ball. I know there is now instant replay, but some calls are not review-able and I dont know if this is one or not. I get your point on a thrown away ball, but a ML C should be able to throw 85 ft to 1B, unless you are Bru Baker!

Quote from WindsorUK on June 21, 2019, 6:14 pm

Ugh......Machado boots a 3 hopper then airmails it first allowing the hitter to get to 2nd......D'oh!!!!

Lauer looking REALLY sharp over 7 - only 78 pitches, 1 earned run. Now on the hook for the L.

Quote from Notmyopic on June 22, 2019, 7:16 am

Quote from BoosterSD on June 21, 2019, 6:06 pm

Quote from David Nevin on June 21, 2019, 5:21 pm

Quote from David Nevin on June 19, 2019, 2:57 pm

So that K of Arcia to end the top of the 5th is a perfect example of one of my “baseball pet peaves”.

On strike 3 you only have to throw the runner out at 1st base if the catcher “drops strike three”.

Most of the time they go through with the throw and the umpire  doesn’t call the batter out even though the ball only hit the ground....the Catcher never dropped it.

It bounced as he swung and the Catcher caught it clean.

What if the throw gets away will they give the hitter 1b even though the throw was never necessary in the 1st place?

It’s become common place for catchers to throw down to 1b just because they’re afraid the umpire will give him the bag when the pitch was never dropped.

Is it just me that this bothers?

Aren’t I interpreting the rule correctly?

 

So it is just me who wonders why they still have to throw down to First even when the ball isn’t dropped?

In this day of instant replay and “getting it right”......why is this never mentioned?

 

But I guess if no one else notices or cares I have my answer.

 

Many times as a home plate umpire, you can have a hard time seeing whether the ball bounced or drop when its down low. So they will go on sound. I think a lot of C, better safe than sorry, throw down just in case it gets called a dropped ball. I know there is now instant replay, but some calls are not review-able and I dont know if this is one or not. I get your point on a thrown away ball, but a ML C should be able to throw 85 ft to 1B, unless you are Bru Baker!

As I mentioned previously, it doesn't matter if it bounces and is caught or not.  When it hits the dirt on a swinging strike three, the runner can run.

Quote from MrPadre19 on June 22, 2019, 4:08 pm

Stammen has been downright Horrible!

He needs to be taken out of the 8th inning.

On another note.......the Padres continue to swing for the fences and K at a double digit rate every game......while the Pirates just put the ball in play.

3 K’s for the Pirates.

I’m not sure where our hitting coach is or what Greens’ philosophy is but trying to win games hitting solo homeruns every game isn’t gonna work.

Hats off to Naylor for his plate discipline today.