Quote from MrPadre19 on November 19, 2018, 6:04 pm

Apparently we didn’t go very hard for Paxton as we could have easily bet that deal without getting hurt prospect wise.

I would have done Quantrill/Allen/Olivares and even throw in a A ball position player.

But I am not high on Quantrill.

 

Quote from Brian Connelly on November 19, 2018, 10:23 pm

Quote from David Nevin on November 19, 2018, 6:04 pm

Apparently we didn’t go very hard for Paxton as we could have easily bet that deal without getting hurt prospect wise.

I would have done Quantrill/Allen/Olivares and even throw in a A ball position player.

But I am not high on Quantrill.

 

Since we're likely not in contention in 2019, would be giving those guys up for maybe 1 year contending.  I say pay more to get the 2nd year of contention (i.e. 3 year guy like Syndergaard)

Quote from MrPadre19 on November 20, 2018, 5:42 am

I get that.....”if” we get that guy.

As I said if we could get Paxton without giving up Paddack/Gore it would make sense.

Im gonna assume the M’s wanted too much from the Padres and ‘settled’ for the deal they got from NYY.

 

Quote from MrPadre19 on November 20, 2018, 5:46 am

Quote from fenn68 on November 19, 2018, 7:59 am

a lot of dominoes have to fall between now and opening day .... trades / FA .... injuries .... ST performances ... and considering none of the current arms are truly established, Padres have a pretty open slate. With 5 SP slots and no chance the find 5 new arms ... have some high probability survivors.

Very high probability:

1. Lauer .... 4.34 ERA but 3.14 post All-Star game and the youngest of the main candidates

2. Lucchesi .... 4.08 ERA but 4.88 post All-Star game ... has the "stuff" the organization likes, still a prospect that benefits for ML development

High probability:

3. Strahm ... (as a RP) 2.05 ERA and 1.69 post All-Star game .... "everyone" seems to love his stuff  and suggests that would play as a SP ... expect him to get stretched out and given a starting role (at least to start the season).

Coin flip:

4. Mitchell ... 5.42 ERA but 2.19 post-All Star game (limited innings at 15) .... Mitchell is out of options and his control issues make him marginal out of the pen .... fair chance he gets a last run as a SP to start the season.

5. PTNL via FA or trade

On the bubble:

6. Erlin ... 4.21 ERA and 4.58 ERA post All Star game ... much better in relief than starting and a good chance he gets bumped to the pen by Strahm and serves as the long relief / spot starter

7. Richard ... 5.33 ERA and 8.57 post All Star game .... not all of that can be attributed to his knee and coupled with him going on 35 in his last contract year a good chance he is not on the roster to start the season,.

Unlikely but: Kennedy, Diaz, Perdomo if the dominoes fall right for them.

Add that I would expect Logan Allen to be an early season call-up once the Padres sort through their initial starting 5  and weed out the underperformers / injured.  The next wave of better prospects either late in the season or 2019.

Have we all forgotten about Nix?

Im surprised no one has him as even a shot at the rotation next year?

 

Quote from Henry Silvestre on November 20, 2018, 5:49 am

I think Kubler makes a lot of sense....3 yrs of control and much more reliable than Thor...besides Indians are looking to revamp their MLB club not add prospects...needs are OF ..BP and a SP 3/4...

 

So Renfroe + Stanmen+ Yates + Lucchesi + Naylor (AA).... We May need to add a little but that would give them cheap controlled MLB pieces some $$ relief to fill other holes..and a potential "special" bat at DH/1B in a yr or 2

Quote from fenn68 on November 20, 2018, 6:50 am

Quote from David Nevin on November 20, 2018, 5:42 am

I get that.....”if” we get that guy.

As I said if we could get Paxton without giving up Paddack/Gore it would make sense.

Im gonna assume the M’s wanted too much from the Padres and ‘settled’ for the deal they got from NYY.

 

Likely Seattle was out shopping Paxton to everyone ... and almost everyone needs SP and just went for the best offer (in their minds).

Might suggest that the other GMs either did not have an asset as highly viewed as Sheffield to Seattle or they thought  that level of talent was too high for 2 years control of a high injury risk pitcher.

Could look it as NYY "overpaying" the market price because of their specific 2019-20 need for a top SP to stay in the playoffs and contend with Boston ... which, I suppose is not overpaying from their perspective.

Do agree with the other assessment that Preller is likely focused on pitchers with 3+ years control if he is going to trade any significant prospect. Might deal a "lesser prospect" (I know that is a judgement call) to get a short term fill just to stabilize the 2019 SP ... but no big move.

Quote from fenn68 on November 20, 2018, 6:52 am

Did forget about Nix .... maybe because he look (to me) so bad in his brief ML time. Long shot in the Diaz, Perdomo classification.

Quote from fenn68 on November 20, 2018, 6:59 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on November 20, 2018, 5:49 am

I think Kubler makes a lot of sense....3 yrs of control and much more reliable than Thor...besides Indians are looking to revamp their MLB club not add prospects...needs are OF ..BP and a SP 3/4...

 

So Renfroe + Stanmen+ Yates + Lucchesi + Naylor (AA).... We May need to add a little but that would give them cheap controlled MLB pieces some $$ relief to fill other holes..and a potential "special" bat at DH/1B in a yr or 2

Start with I doubt Cleveland will trade Kluber. A deal will have to return at least one potential All-Star level quality player that fits in their line-up. (that is not Yates nor the others).

They could probably get Renfroe, Stammen, and Naylor for SD for a package of good MiL prospects and Diaz for 3B. Lucchesi (or any other pitching option) is probably not compelling since they have a deep staff. Yates they would like but not near a key to Kluber.

I would think if Kluber is moved it is for an All-Star level OF.

Quote from Booster SD on November 20, 2018, 9:20 am

Quote from fenn68 on November 20, 2018, 6:59 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on November 20, 2018, 5:49 am

I think Kubler makes a lot of sense....3 yrs of control and much more reliable than Thor...besides Indians are looking to revamp their MLB club not add prospects...needs are OF ..BP and a SP 3/4...

 

So Renfroe + Stanmen+ Yates + Lucchesi + Naylor (AA).... We May need to add a little but that would give them cheap controlled MLB pieces some $$ relief to fill other holes..and a potential "special" bat at DH/1B in a yr or 2

Start with I doubt Cleveland will trade Kluber. A deal will have to return at least one potential All-Star level quality player that fits in their line-up. (that is not Yates nor the others).

They could probably get Renfroe, Stammen, and Naylor for SD for a package of good MiL prospects and Diaz for 3B. Lucchesi (or any other pitching option) is probably not compelling since they have a deep staff. Yates they would like but not near a key to Kluber.

I would think if Kluber is moved it is for an All-Star level OF.

What about Hedges, Renfroe, Margot or Jank, and Naylor for Kluber, Diaz, and Gomes.