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#31 · July 29, 2024, 3:45 pm
An aspect of the Padres (actually any team) trading its prospects is what the team ... after daily working with these prospects for a year+ ... actually projects for these guys.
We ... the media ... other teams get locked into projections from HS/College, the draft, low minors production ... that may be no longer the projection by the selling team.
In this trade, Bush and Gonzalez have some major shortcomings to overcome to even make the ML ... so not worried about including them in the Adam deal. Lesko ... major hype going into and coming out of the draft even without yet recovered from his TJ ... but last season and this he has shown very little and for me (and maybe the Padres) he has not shown much improvement over that timeframe. Padres have worked with him every day ... maybe they now see him (his upside) differently? Maybe the Padres did not give up that much in three prospects that ... if they make the majors ... will be in 3-4 years and then without much impact.
Another aspect of Adam beyond the low salary and control to support Suarez in 2024-25 for late innings shut downs ... he becomes the #1 closer in waiting if Suarez get injured and, for now, in 2026 after Suarez opts out. If they are planning to win in 2024-25, then need that strong insurance.
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#32 · July 29, 2024, 4:00 pm
OK some one off speculation by me.
Reports are the NYY are heavily in on trying to land Flaherty ... and if they do the plan to trade Nestor Cortes.
If Cortes is available ... would the Padres be interested with Cortes as a more of a #4-5 SP (probably cheaper in prospects than Flaherty)? Cortes is 29 ... contract is only $3.95MM (so 1/3 to the Padres) ... controlled via arb in 2025 (should appeal to Preller) ... LHP (maybe good balance for SP rotation) ... 22 starts this year with a 4.13 ERA (career 3.89 ERA).
Flaherty ... in 2024 ... is significantly better than Cortes and more an upper rotation option (probably what the NYY are in on him) but for the Padres Cortes would be a major step up from Mazur ... or Vasquez.
#33 · July 29, 2024, 5:25 pm
Quote from fenn68 on July 29, 2024, 4:00 pmOK some one off speculation by me.
Reports are the NYY are heavily in on trying to land Flaherty ... and if they do the plan to trade Nestor Cortes.
If Cortes is available ... would the Padres be interested with Cortes as a more of a #4-5 SP (probably cheaper in prospects than Flaherty)? Cortes is 29 ... contract is only $3.95MM (so 1/3 to the Padres) ... controlled via arb in 2025 (should appeal to Preller) ... LHP (maybe good balance for SP rotation) ... 22 starts this year with a 4.13 ERA (career 3.89 ERA).
Flaherty ... in 2024 ... is significantly better than Cortes and more an upper rotation option (probably what the NYY are in on him) but for the Padres Cortes would be a major step up from Mazur ... or Vasquez.
It wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize. It will also free up prospects for a 4th outfielder to improve upon Peralta and Johnson.
#34 · July 30, 2024, 11:22 am
The more deals I see the less I want to trade for a Starter.
Baltimore just gave up Connor Norby AND Kyle Stowers for Trevor Rogers.
Rogers is what....a #4 SP?
Yikes
Edit: I guess he's cheap and controlled 2 more seasons....but IMO Norby will be a much better major league player....they just have too many if prospects and hurt SP's I guess.
#35 · July 30, 2024, 11:47 am
Quote from MrPadre19 on July 30, 2024, 11:22 amThe more deals I see the less I want to trade for a Starter.
Baltimore just gave up Connor Norby AND Kyle Stowers for Trevor Rogers.
Rogers is what....a #4 SP?
Yikes
Edit: I guess he's cheap and controlled 2 more seasons....but IMO Norby will be a much better major league player....they just have too many if prospects and hurt SP's I guess.
Listen to a discussion on BALT and the trade deadline ... most seem to think they have excellent prospects but at positions were they have excellent ML players who are also young and controlled ... so basically blocked.
With that as a backdrop ... they NEED SP just to get them to stay ahead of the NYY in the playoff race ... maybe stay ahead of a surging BOST for making the playoffs. The NEED with quality but blocked prospects ... formula for an over pay. BALT wants to turn the tide and be in the playoffs.
#36 · July 30, 2024, 12:42 pm
I get "why" they did it but we aren't that desperate and we don't have the prospects outside the top 5 to get much done.
With teams like Balt offering that we would have to give up a top 5 or "two" just to get an average Starter back.
Hope we don't
#37 · July 30, 2024, 12:48 pm
Quote from MrPadre19 on July 30, 2024, 12:42 pmI get "why" they did it but we aren't that desperate and we don't have the prospects outside the top 5 to get much done.
With teams like Balt offering that we would have to give up a top 5 or "two" just to get an average Starter back.
Hope we don't
Agree ... not much left in the system to outbid other teams for any "quality" or anyone with long control. Preller's best shot is for a "rental" (generally lowest cost option in terms of prospects) and they still have the room to take on 1/3rd of a pretty decent contract. Also, if they target that rental to another RP ... might at last improve the team. SP is going to be hard.
#38 · July 30, 2024, 1:31 pm
#39 · July 30, 2024, 1:36 pm
Tanner Scott!
Let's GO!
I was hoping we were in in on him....now what was the cost?
#40 · July 30, 2024, 1:37 pm
He's just a 2 month rental though.....please don't be Snelling