Quote from Brian Connelly on November 7, 2018, 3:53 pm

Quote from dusty on November 6, 2018, 5:12 pm

If the Padres do go after Kluber, or any pitcher with that type of talent, and are willing to pay the price, you have to think they would be willing to spend the big time money to bring in an offensive player. I just don't think the Padres can afford to pay the steep price without bringing in a compliment. Asking one ace and a very young, inexperienced staff to carry an offensive-less team doesn't seem to make sense to me.

Exactly!   A pretty good argument could be made that since Pads aren't contending in 2019, they should stand pat, let the kids play, not make any significant trades, and have a payroll 25 MM lower than last year....

.... but hard to believe that plays with fanbase & more importantly, Ron Fowler.   So I agree; if the Pads make any significant move,  it almost necessitates making another move.  How do you stand pat on the worst OBP 3 years running and hope to improve?  Obviously Tatis, Urias, & Mejia are being counted on to be the core that turns things around, but IF a SP is obtained by trade at below market value, there is definitely payroll to add a bat... just limited options to do so.

Quote from fenn68 on November 8, 2018, 10:58 am

Cassavell's piece on the Padres website (today). Again, need to read into the piece the potential strategy going forward but:

1. sounding like the OF deal will end up Renfroe or Reyes to clear some corner OF space ... Myers contract obviously will hurt moving him plus they may be considering that would be sell low if you compare his 2016-17 production vs. the injury ridden 2018. LF and healthy should boost his stock.

2. not trying to move Hedges or Mejia but sounding like Allen's stock is on the rise allowing Preller to entertain any real compelling offer for either (and consider the long list of contenders that want to upgrade C but maybe not pay the price for a Grandal or the other FA, could happen).

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Moving either Renfroe or Reyes with this current OF configuration just makes sense to allow the other some full playing time while dealing with Myers back in LF. Something to watch for is how Cordero (who they seem to really like for his upside) progresses this winter / ST. Since 2019 is still transition and IF the see Cordero's future at the door step ... could see both Renfroe and Reyes moved in deals (don't see either as major factors with the Padres in a few years without the DH option). The insurance in 2020-21 becomes their view of AA OF Reed and Oliveras to step in to assume a role.

Quote from fenn68 on November 8, 2018, 11:11 am

I know I and others have been on the case for upgrading 3B ... now I am going to argue against myself and suggest that a platoon of Spangenberg and Villanueva will be better in 2019 (and maybe 2020) than anyone they could get for 3B (at a reasonable price tag). Consider:

Villanueva (league minimum) vs. LHP: 392 OBP / 726 SLG .... 1.118 OPS

Spangenberg (arb about $2.3MM) vs. RHP: 351 OBP / 393 SLG ... 724 OPS

If you weight them based on the balance between LHP and RHP, the composite would be:

351 OBP ... 8th in MLB Qualified 3B in 2018

501 SLG ... 9th in MLB

852 OPS... 9th in MLB

All for the low low price of under $3MM ... but there is more in that it buys the Padres time to see if Potts is the 3B of the future (a year in AA and a year in AAA) .... but there is even more in that it keeps payroll money open to redeploy towards other needs such as that top of the rotation arm. IF that strategy does not work in 2019 then might want to pursue 3B alternatives (remember if you want to go big Rendon and Arenado are FA after 2019).

 

Quote from sportwarrior on November 8, 2018, 2:47 pm

I don't particularly care for the idea of moving either Renfroe or Reyes at this point, but if I had to move either I think it'd have to be Renfroe. I'm enamored with Reyes and see a lot more room for growth in his bat at his age as compared to Hunter.

Quote from Booster SD on November 9, 2018, 7:15 am

So, it seems that chatter about SD and PHI working a trade for Miakel Franco is resurfacing. I look at his splits, and seems like he and CV would make a nice platoon with CV seeing time against LHP as Franco seems to handle RHP even though he is a RHH. I dont think that PHI needs OF help, so what would they want back for Franco?

Quote from fenn68 on November 9, 2018, 8:36 am

Quote from Booster SD on November 9, 2018, 7:15 am

So, it seems that chatter about SD and PHI working a trade for Miakel Franco is resurfacing. I look at his splits, and seems like he and CV would make a nice platoon with CV seeing time against LHP as Franco seems to handle RHP even though he is a RHH. I dont think that PHI needs OF help, so what would they want back for Franco?

A lot of Philadelphia's moves will be predicated on their ability sign Harper or Machado (they have the apparent desire and the money) and their ability to trade Santana to clear 1B for Hoskins coming out of LF. If they don't sign Harper and can trade Santana they will need OF help and since they want to contend ASAP that needs to be a player that has some ML track record. However, that does little to fill the void created if they move Franco.

However, if they sign Machado and convince him to play 3B ... that would put Franco on the market. More likely they add Machado as a SS and hold on Franco and spend in FA for the RP (closer).

In the Phillies situation ... would expect Yates would be the best trade chip coupled with an OF.  Not likely they go for prospects at the front end of a deal.

Give low odds for a deal ...

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However, as a future home of a Padre OF more than possible if the Phils don't sign Harper but do deal Santana. Even more so if they don't additionally sign Machado (bet they do) lots of money on the table and a hitters park ... could see them go for Myers (and his contract).

Quote from MrPadre19 on November 9, 2018, 9:22 am

Francos' career OBP is .303.

He was pretty solid in 2015 in his first season as a regular but it sure looks like the league adjusted to him and he hasn't been

able to adjust back.He bounced back some last year so maybe it was injury that lead to his two "off" seasons in 16-17?

Otherwise.....he's just more of the same that we have.

I'd take him as a bench player but don't we want/need better than that to play 125+ games?

 

 

Quote from fenn68 on November 9, 2018, 10:22 am

Quote from David Nevin on November 9, 2018, 9:22 am

Francos' career OBP is .303.

He was pretty solid in 2015 in his first season as a regular but it sure looks like the league adjusted to him and he hasn't been

able to adjust back.He bounced back some last year so maybe it was injury that lead to his two "off" seasons in 16-17?

Otherwise.....he's just more of the same that we have.

I'd take him as a bench player but don't we want/need better than that to play 125+ games?

 

 

I would be nervous about trading "too much" for Franco ... might be a case of "buying high" with 2018 being good off an ugly 2017 and just an OK 2016 (remember Philly is a good hitters park). Can't get out of my mind ... even as a top Philly prospect ... the reports prior to 2018 of them trying to move him off 3B or deal him (not a good fielder as I recall).

I guess it is more a matter of what is given up for him and the Padres alternatives at 3B (now Villanueva / Spangenberg) while factoring in the hole created by who is traded (not likely prospects fit Philly's objectives).

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Long sh0t (and expensive in terms of prospects) but IF CINN signs Gennett to an extension at 2B (very possible) and they have a quality 3B under long term contract .... a big push for Senzel ... an elite AAA 3B prospect that CINN would try to convert to CF (if they move Hamilton). They have indicated they need starting pitching (assume near term prospects work) and the Padres have a few quality / low cost / long control.

Prospects for prospects don't happen that often ... but this is a deal between bottom feeders with specific priority needs ... might work. IF they really see the future in Senzel, the Padres could deal one (or two) of the near term guys: Lucchesi, Lauer, Allen, Baez, Paddack, Quantrill and maybe dangle out Jankowski to fill a CF need ... but it would be the SP that makes the deal work.

Quote from MrPadre19 on November 9, 2018, 10:36 am

I still hold out hope for a trade with Atlanta for Austin Riley.

They are very close to contending and have no place for him unless Camargo gets hurt.

He may be better than Camargo....but are you gonna sit/trade your 24 year old starting 3b who had a really good year

for a guy without a major league AB?

And if so....trade us Camargo.