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#431 · November 27, 2019, 1:16 pm
Quote from BoosterSD on November 27, 2019, 1:03 pmQuote from sportwarrior on November 27, 2019, 12:18 pmWord is 4/34 for Pomeranz. Holy balls that's a lot of money for a 31 year old failed starter with 30 innings of relief under his belt. I was fine with 3/15 and mentally prepared for 3/21, but 4/34 is crazy. Wow.
I agree, seems a little aggressive on the SD side. Maybe Fowler and Siedler are going to open up more cash than people give them credit for, is $150-160M in play?
I always thought they be in the 160-175 area for the WINDOW years--- so yeah there is room
#432 · November 27, 2019, 1:50 pm
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/drew-pomeranz-is-a-san-diego-padre/
As first reported by Ken Rosenthal, the Padres have signed Pomeranz to a four-year, $34 million deal, further thinning out the free agent reliever market and besting the estimates of both Kiley McDaniel and the crowd on our Top 50 Free Agents list; Pomeranz ranked 24th on the list. Pomeranz will join Kirby Yates to further anchor what was already an above-average unit.
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Will Smith, who has put up near-Pomeranz-level numbers for two years now, signed for three years and $39 million. Pomeranz has a higher ceiling than Smith, but he also has a lower floor.
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I think the Padres made a savvy move in locking up Pomeranz, and if they have a championship contender in the next few years, a reasonably priced bullpen ace will likely be part of the equation.
#433 · November 27, 2019, 5:31 pm
I think the Padres made a savvy move in locking up Pomeranz, and if they have a championship contender in the next few years, a reasonably priced bullpen ace will likely be part of the equation.
I agree. I realize at first it sounds like a ludicrous length & $$ relative to MLBTR forecast, but a # of things to consider:
- Will Smith's 3/40 deal was tamped down to some degree by the Qualifying offer
- As soon as Smith got that deal, I did not see how the Pads were going to be able to do a Yates extension. Kirby's results would lead him to demand something at least in the ballpark, but no way at his age Pads were going to do that = impasse = trade speculation.
- So the Pomeranz (2 years younger, 8" taller, & LH) signing now "=" the Yates extension. Definitely won't extend Yates now. Definitely increases the possibility he's traded (may not be the happiest camper in the world about his setup guy with 1/2 season of pen dominance getting 5 times the guaranteed $ he is...), but has to be the right deal; would NOT trade him just to get a top 50-100 prospect and save $.
- Obviously decreases likelihood of Stammen coming back... unless Yates is dealt. A Pom / Stammen age/salary dynamic seems like it might work better than a Pom / Yates one; but it wouldn't save much $ at all, and Yates > Stammen
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#434 · November 27, 2019, 5:43 pm
Any chance Yates is traded before the season starts?
Or most likely at the deadline depending on our record?
#435 · November 27, 2019, 6:10 pm
"...Pomeranz joins José Castillo and Matt Strahm as lefty leverage options..." - from Cassevell. Context was 3 batter rule next year. Good point. All three can handle both sides and, if he's healthy, Castillo has the best stuff. Could be really good BP with Munoz and Baez. Yates of course, unless dealt. Is Pomeranz the closer if Yates goes?
That AJ was able to land an established 26 year old SP and a solid LH OF who is CF capable short term for Lauer and Urias is encouraging for the value of the other SD trade assets.
#436 · November 27, 2019, 6:14 pm
Quote from David Nevin on November 27, 2019, 5:43 pmAny chance Yates is traded before the season starts?
Or most likely at the deadline depending on our record?
I think it dramatically increases the likelihood he's traded, but personally I would much rather keep him unless he's a part directly or indirectly of getting a T.O.R. starter. Don't see that though. Yates situation is the classic non-contender trading him to a contender for a prospect.
#437 · November 27, 2019, 6:30 pm
Quote from Commie on November 27, 2019, 6:10 pm"...Pomeranz joins José Castillo and Matt Strahm as lefty leverage options..." - from Cassevell. Context was 3 batter rule next year. Good point. All three can handle both sides and, if he's healthy, Castillo has the best stuff. Could be really good BP with Munoz and Baez. Yates of course, unless dealt. Is Pomeranz the closer if Yates goes?
That AJ was able to land an established 26 year old SP and a solid LH OF who is CF capable short term for Lauer and Urias is encouraging for the value of the other SD trade assets.
I disagree Commie. Urias was likely our best trade asset without getting into our top 6 prospects. Lauer, as a steady if unremarkable young starter, was up there as well. I have seen so many trade proposals on this site. Well over half of them include Urias or Lauer, if not both making up a large part of the value for a major trade. This tells us that they are not worth what so many people thought they were. I always though that we couldn't get any big time talent in trades without giving up big time prospects that we need to keep. This trade seems to confirm that. We cannot get a star for guys like Lucchesie, Naylor, Bolanos, Arias, Cordero, Baez and Morejon. It will take players like Edwards, Abrams, Campusano, Trammell and even Patino or Gore, and probably more than one, to trade for elite talent. I think that puts elite talent out of our reach this offseason.
If AJ does make a major trade at those prices it will undoubtedly not be worth it and could destroy all of the prospect collecting that this franchise has done over the last few years. Stay strong AJ. Please!
#438 · November 27, 2019, 6:48 pm
Urias value definitely took a hit last year and Lauer is a solid young 5 starter, nothing more. The Padres just acquired 6 years of a young LHH CF with speed, OBP and some pop plus 2 years of 26 year old 2.5 WAR pitcher paying only 5 mil for Urias and Lauer. I think Grisham and Davies are valuable returns. I think this bodes well for AJP and future deals. There will be many teams who don’t like the price tag on these FA and they will be looking for young cheap talent and AJP has a loaded treasure chest of young cheap talent.
#439 · November 28, 2019, 6:23 am
Quote from David Nevin on November 27, 2019, 5:43 pmAny chance Yates is traded before the season starts?
Or most likely at the deadline depending on our record?
Top closer at $6.5MM (but with only 2020 under control) should appeal to a contender BUT they would likely only want to part with a prospect(s) or some “marginal” ML players ... not the TOR or impact OF the Padres want.
Padres are not going to trade Yates just to save the $6.5MM this winter or take prospects / marginal ML players. (Maybe at the trade deadline if clearly out of contention).
However, Yates bundled with others may be available if a TOR was available (but that is not likely) or the impact corner OF (maybe). Then ... to a contender with money ... Yates get bundled with Myers (and maybe a prospect) for no return just to move over $20MM.
Maybe a Yates - Margot package is a basis for Conforto from the Mets? Padres take the risk on Grisham in CF full time?
Still like the possibility of the Yates - Myers - prospect base of a deal to either WASH or PHIL since they both have the money, real need for a strong end of game RP to contend with ATL, and actually could use Myers .... WASH (1B) or PHIL (LF). Padres use the added payroll space to sign the TOR arm (Ryu).
Still I would put Yates being dealt at about 10:1.
#440 · November 28, 2019, 7:35 am
I give up. Who is TOR?