Quote from fenn68 on November 10, 2019, 8:05 am

I have a few of issues in dealing Arias or Edwards:

1. We don’t know if Urias or which of Arias or Edwards will evolve into a top flight ML player ... I want to best to be a Padre and just too early to make that call

2. As much as we project greatness out of A ball prospects ... other teams in trades discount that projection and the return is much less than what we see as the value to keep them

3. Tatis ... in 3 years is he a SS? Right now he is defensively near the bottom ... at 20 his body is going to grow given his father’s body type which will not help his defense. Arias by all accounts is the elite fielder of the group and is developing as a hitter. Maybe we should wait to see the future of Tatis unfold a bit more before moving the likely replacement. With trepidation I throw in the potential for Tatis to be subject to frequent injuries (bot 2018 and 2019) ... maybe be not the norm but should we wait and see. Then toss in the lack of OF ranking highly in the system ... not out of the question that either Arias (if he can hit) goes to the OF or Tatis goes to the OF to maximize defense at SS and potentially in the OF.

Bottom line is that I don’t think the Padres would get enough back in a deal with the addition of Arias (or Edwards) that their future value to the Padres.

Quote from TatisJr on November 10, 2019, 8:08 am

I understand some teams that were desperate for bullpen help were interested in Givens, but I really don’t get the fascination. He’s got powerful stuff, but he’s erratic and inconsistent to say the least. Im not joking when I say there isn’t one young arm currently in the Pads bullpen I’d trade for Givens. If Balt offered Givens for Wingeter straight up, I’d say no thanks, and Wingeter drove me nuts last year.

Quote from MrPadre19 on November 10, 2019, 11:26 am

Not enamored with Givens but would take him to make a deal for Mancini.

While his defense may be bad so is Naylors......but one is a phenomenal bat.

Mancini was playing 1B because they Orioles starter there was 0 for a month.

As a note on Tatis’s defense.....his issue was throwing and in most cases was due to his trying to do to much.

He was a rookie trying to make the spectacular play and making youthful mistakes.

Mush easier to reign him in in that regard.

He wasn’t booting easy grounders.....

Quote from BoosterSD on November 10, 2019, 1:38 pm

I agree with MrP on Tatis's defense, I dont necessarily buy into the defensive rankings and the eye test proves the defensive rankings inaccurate, It was more his arm IMO.

I will agree with Fenn on Mancini, not in a big hurry to trade a bunch of prospects to get him, when we can just spend money on Dickerson, who has won a Gold Glove in the OF.

Spend the "prospect" money on something else, like making Myers salary go away.

Quote from MrPadre19 on November 10, 2019, 2:39 pm

Dickerson is a better defender for sure.....but he also is nowhere near the .900 ops hitter Mancini is.

 

 

Quote from BoosterSD on November 10, 2019, 3:04 pm

Quote from David Nevin on November 10, 2019, 2:39 pm

Dickerson is a better defender for sure.....but he also is nowhere near the .900 ops hitter Mancini is.

 

 

That was only last season, the 2018 season he was .715 and the 2017 season was .825 for a career average of .819. Not to mention that he plays in a band box of a park, Camden Yards, so no guarantee that his one year of exceptional OPS will carry over into this year or play in Petco Park. Especially for the prospects BAL might want.

Quote from fenn68 on November 10, 2019, 3:10 pm

Quote from David Nevin on November 10, 2019, 2:39 pm

Dickerson is a better defender for sure.....but he also is nowhere near the .900 ops hitter Mancini is.

 

 

Well looking at the 2 years 2018-19 (done because Dickerson was injured a chunk of 2019):

Dickerson ... 812 PA .... 119 wRC+ ... -4.4 dWAR ... 3.7 WAR

Mancini ...... 1315 PA ... 113 wRC+ ... - 30.7 dWAR ... 3.2 WAR

So arguably Dickerson is a better all around hitter (Mancini delivers the power) and Dickerson crushes him defensively ... if he played more .... that WAR differential would probably be greater. Both would be close in salary but Mancini would cost in terms of prospects.

Side bar: Dickerson is more a contact gap to gap hitter (which seems to be the new focus for the Padres) ... would Mancini’s power advantage be muted in SD?

 

Quote from fenn68 on November 10, 2019, 3:23 pm

Sort of a one off though that may impact the offseason of a lot of teams ... depending on how the see this evolving.

Last year in many baseball circles ... the massive surge in HR was considered an embarrassment to both the credibility of the game (as it was played) and contributed to a more boring overall experience. MLB did all it could to give excuses that even the baseball veterans did not believe.

No matter the real reasons .... cutting back on HR may be a behind the scenes focus of MLB ... if nothing else insure the standard of the baseball align with the ball of a few years back (size, seams, slickness) to return some advantage to the pitcher .... control, consistency, more effective breaking pitches. Quite, behind the scenes, but probably known by the organizations.

To that end, would teams shy away a bit for the HR/K type hitter that may not hit those HR in 2020 and opt more for the bat to ball types? Add to that if the ball is in play vs a fly ball or HR would OF/INF defense be more valuable and shifting less prevalent.

I suspect the Judge or Stanton’s of the world would be only marginally impacted but those light weights who hit 5 HR a few years ago and now hitting 20 might.

Something to consider ... especially in SD and PETCO with the marine layer.

Quote from LynchMob on November 11, 2019, 9:14 am

Quote from David Nevin on November 10, 2019, 2:39 pm

Dickerson is a better defender for sure.....but he also is nowhere near the .900 ops hitter Mancini is.

What this does this mean?  Can you double check this, David Nevin, and tell me/us what you mean by this?

What I see is that Dickerson's OPS was .906 in 2019 ... good for an OPS+ of 131!  https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dickeco01.shtml