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#681 · January 5, 2021, 7:20 am
Fenn said. So, a preferred strategy is a finding an option that has more versatility in the field. As it stands ... Kim/Cronenworth provides that depth for the INF but they need a RHH OF. IF the choose to sit Hosmer against some LHP ... Nola/Caratini can do it or (not my favorite) Myers drops in if the add a RHH OF only type.
As you have mentioned, at this time Nola has reverse splits for LHP, and if it falls that Darvish is starting against LHSP, then Caratini is starting at C. I am willing to give Nola a chance; however, I keep looking for a RHH LF/1B option, and not really seeing one at this time as a FA.
But agree, a nice RHH 1B/OF/DH option would be nice piece for the bench. Marwin Gonzalez might be a nice add, except his numbers have been steadily dropping since "trash can" gate, and I dont think he would play for the couple of Million that SD might have, coming off a $9M salary last season.
Here is a possible option. Maybe the typical AJ type guy. Rangel Ravelo. Bats RHH, plays 1B, 3B, and OF, and has had good numbers in Cuba and the MiL. Just seems he hasnt gotten his chance in the MLs yet, only 74 ABs in 2 seasons. Is 28 years old, so should be able to handle the utility/back up role.
#682 · January 5, 2021, 7:54 am
Side note on Nola ... although terrible vs. LHP in 2020 ... was acceptable in 2019 so would not write him off against LHP until we see him in 2021.
RHH OF/1B seems to fit best (one that could also cover CF) ... just probably not going to find such a player (who can hit).
More concerned about the CF issue if Grisham gets injured or the OF in general if any of Pham-Grisham-Myers get injured .... think easier to juggle pieces to cover 1B/DH (if there is a DH). Even during he season, dealing for a 1B/DH type as “fill” should not be difficult (or costly) plus Ona / Campusano are around for emergency work. RHH Mateo and LHH O’Grady are just not the answer for the 4th/5th OF.
Don’t see the Padres platooning Hosmer and with the rest of the offense might just live with his LHP issues except for some well timed “rests”.
#683 · January 5, 2021, 7:57 am
2019 v LHP ... Nola ... 256/356/538 (834 OPS) .... better than average (better than Hosmer).
#684 · January 5, 2021, 8:00 am
Quote from fenn68 on January 5, 2021, 7:54 amRHH OF/1B seems to fit best (one that could also cover CF) ... just probably not going to find such a player (who can hit).
More concerned about the CF issue if Grisham gets injured or the OF in general if any of Pham-Grisham-Myers get injured .... think easier to juggle pieces to cover 1B/DH (if there is a DH). Even during he season, dealing for a 1B/DH type as “fill” should not be difficult (or costly) plus Ona / Campusano are around for emergency work. RHH Mateo and LHH O’Grady are just not the answer for the 4th/5th OF.
What are your thoughts on a trade with PHI. They need bullpen help, and have two players that would fit our needs as a RHH 4th OF in both Garlick and Quinn. Garlick seems more of a power guy, and Quinn a speed guy. Both hit well in the MiLs and might be better options over Mateo/Allen. Both are both pre arb guys.
Stammen and Wingenter for Quinn?? Saves SD about $4M in ML roster dollars.
#685 · January 5, 2021, 8:21 am
Quote from BoosterSD on January 5, 2021, 8:00 amQuote from fenn68 on January 5, 2021, 7:54 amRHH OF/1B seems to fit best (one that could also cover CF) ... just probably not going to find such a player (who can hit).
More concerned about the CF issue if Grisham gets injured or the OF in general if any of Pham-Grisham-Myers get injured .... think easier to juggle pieces to cover 1B/DH (if there is a DH). Even during he season, dealing for a 1B/DH type as “fill” should not be difficult (or costly) plus Ona / Campusano are around for emergency work. RHH Mateo and LHH O’Grady are just not the answer for the 4th/5th OF.
What are your thoughts on a trade with PHI. They need bullpen help, and have two players that would fit our needs as a RHH 4th OF in both Garlick and Quinn. Garlick seems more of a power guy, and Quinn a speed guy. Both hit well in the MiLs and might be better options over Mateo/Allen. Both are both pre arb guys.
Stammen and Wingenter for Quinn?? Saves SD about $4M in ML roster dollars.
I'd say yes to that in a split second... which means it's too favorable for us. Wingenter may not pitch this season at all. July is his 1 year off TJ mark. Can't see any team willing to spend 4 MM on Stammen unless they get more value back than that.
I think the Padres value everything Stammen brings on & off field more than we give him credit for, but still have a hard time seeing him in a trade without another (more significant than Wingenter) asset
#686 · January 5, 2021, 8:29 am
Quote from Brian Connelly on January 5, 2021, 8:21 amQuote from BoosterSD on January 5, 2021, 8:00 amQuote from fenn68 on January 5, 2021, 7:54 amRHH OF/1B seems to fit best (one that could also cover CF) ... just probably not going to find such a player (who can hit).
More concerned about the CF issue if Grisham gets injured or the OF in general if any of Pham-Grisham-Myers get injured .... think easier to juggle pieces to cover 1B/DH (if there is a DH). Even during he season, dealing for a 1B/DH type as “fill” should not be difficult (or costly) plus Ona / Campusano are around for emergency work. RHH Mateo and LHH O’Grady are just not the answer for the 4th/5th OF.
What are your thoughts on a trade with PHI. They need bullpen help, and have two players that would fit our needs as a RHH 4th OF in both Garlick and Quinn. Garlick seems more of a power guy, and Quinn a speed guy. Both hit well in the MiLs and might be better options over Mateo/Allen. Both are both pre arb guys.
Stammen and Wingenter for Quinn?? Saves SD about $4M in ML roster dollars.
I'd say yes to that in a split second... which means it's too favorable for us. Wingenter may not pitch this season at all. July is his 1 year off TJ mark. Can't see any team willing to spend 4 MM on Stammen unless they get more value back than that.
I think the Padres value everything Stammen brings on & off field more than we give him credit for, but still have a hard time seeing him in a trade without another (more significant than Wingenter) asset
So Stammen/Luchessi for Quinn.
#687 · January 5, 2021, 8:47 am
Here are players #21-40 on the Padres 40-man roster via SDUT highest (21) to lowest: Lucchesi, Stammen, Baez, Weathers, A. Adams, Lawson, Ona, Marcano, Hill, Altavilla, O'Grady, J. Castillo, Guerra, T. Williams, Bednar, Mateo, (G. Allen - DFA), Wingenter, M. Thompson, Espinoza
Green = project to Minors/prospect, Red = IL to start season, Bold = project to a significant role on MLB team
Of course all teams' top 20 guys are going to be their most valuable, but overall this group still feels shaky to me for a playoff/World Series contender. But a lot of talent there, and great thing about baseball is who is going to step up & make significant contribution is hard to predict. Altavilla flashed serious potential late last year, Can O'Grady be "Alex Dickerson light", Can Castillo realize the potential he showed 3 years ago before injuries, Can Guerra &/or Mateo cash in some of their former elite prospect potential? Can a prospect rise up and help now? Fun part of baseball.
But any guys that can be added that are ahead of "Lucchesi" (Caratini is #20) even at the expense of some of these names as depth would improve the team.... stating the obvious!
#688 · January 5, 2021, 8:51 am
Pass on both Quinn and Garlick .... both late 20s ... not good fielders ... no track record for offense ... don't see much to separate them from Allen ... and they just DFA Allen.
Need more from the 4th OF on a contender. Plus, as of now, no DH ... so the add probably should be carrying a useful PH bat (RH) to balance with O'Grady.
#689 · January 5, 2021, 9:28 am
Given the roster is full and still we do not know if there is a NL DH or not ... might Preller just wait out the DH decision until the answer is clear ... it is only a bench slot in question and there are a lot of players in play.
DH may change the profile of the target add (skill set and price point). Plus, if a trade using pitching is the strategy ... might want to be sure what the Padres really have in ST and give some time for other teams to determine they REALLY need RP help at the level of Stammen, Altavilla, Williams, et. al. How many RP go down with bad arms in ST?
#690 · January 5, 2021, 9:40 am
Quote from fenn68 on January 5, 2021, 8:51 amPass on both Quinn and Garlick .... both late 20s ... not good fielders ... no track record for offense ... don't see much to separate them from Allen ... and they just DFA Allen.
Need more from the 4th OF on a contender. Plus, as of now, no DH ... so the add probably should be carrying a useful PH bat (RH) to balance with O'Grady.
Agree on Quinn; really a Greg Allen clone who also has no options. But Garlick does have one & is more interesting. Good career Minors #'s. The trade concept is definitely along the right lines, but don't "have to" trade Stammen directly for a 4th OF. Wonder if could get Garlick for far "less", like Taylor Williams?
I don't "want to" trade Stammen or Joey. They would both be more valuable in a long "normal" season than 2020's weird "sprint". But I feel that Padres do need to add a RH closer like Yates. To do THAT, both for $ (Stammen is owed 4 MM + 1 MM buyout + 500K likely to be earned for appearances made), AND for the roster spot specifically in the bullpen with the additions of other cheaper out of options guys (Adams, Altavilla), Stammen is the obvious choice. He has value, but nowhere near 5 MM+ for 1 year, so have to attach another asset.
If they do trade Stammen + ? , would just focus on getting best asset back we can. A lower level non roster top 30 prospect?