Quote from fenn68 on December 1, 2019, 6:52 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 1, 2019, 6:41 am

Quote from onlypads on December 1, 2019, 6:18 am

If Richards returns to form I would think about extending him on a short deal. I think he is cheaper and somewhat of a Wheeler comp and I think we can extend him for less money and years.  I am not sure Wheeler has additive playoff experience or clubhouse intangibles. They both throw hard, have high spin, and contended with past injuries. However, the Padres always talk about Richards as a positive clubhouse voice. Then you can use Luc + Q (really like Q though) + Morejon / Lawson / Bolanos (pref. only one) as trade chips. Those are legitimate chips with upside and control.

2020 / 2021: Paddack, Lamet, Richards (if extended), Davies, Gore, and Patino.

Then phase out R and D, and bring up the next wave. Hopefully, at that time 3/4 of the SPs will be dominant.

Unless he pitches poorly, no chance on extending Richards cheaply on a short deal but he does pitch poorly the Padres have better, cheaper options with upside.

At Richards age ... and with a MLB need for good SP ... he has to go to FA to get that multi-year deal and premium dollars from some team (not the Padres). Padres have too many other options to waste a rotation spot and big dollars on him.

Agree adding another SP ... even a Wheeler ... should not be a priority if by doing so it reduces the ability to improve the offense.

Should add that if we consider that the Padres paid Richards about $15MM for the potential of upside for one year (2020) ... if he produces consider that as a floor AAV going forward.

Better chance that if the Padres are not zeroing in on a playoff spot in 2020 he may be dealt at the trade deadline ... assuming he is pitching well.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 1, 2019, 6:56 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 1, 2019, 6:32 am

My thought was potentially trading Lamet for that impact OF bat (not just another SP) and go with the upside of Gore - Patino - etc. with Paddack for the future.

He has a better chance to get that impact OF than a collection of lesser prospects and he would be dealt from Padre “surplus”.

The key he is very good with upside and in the ML but it is still “potential”. If an legit ML impact OF is the target ... have to give someone that hurts.

Having said that, it would take a real impact bat ... and frankly not many on the trade market other than in speculation. Lamet for Conforto? Lamet for Marte? Lamet for Benintendi? Lamet for Merrifield? ... if that is the bottom line demand from the selling team and they have zero interested in Lucchesi or “prospects”?

 

Only Beni/Whit in that list would I include Lamet for... Comforto for Renfroe is where I am at on that potential trade.. Marte to me not worth itbas an aging would be COF for us...i can see a Comforto to SDP.. Marte to NYM and Ornelas + Arias to Pitt or something along those lines.. If Mets acquire Marte they would have Cespedes/Nimo and Co.. And Comforto could be had...

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 1, 2019, 6:57 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 1, 2019, 6:52 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 1, 2019, 6:41 am

Quote from onlypads on December 1, 2019, 6:18 am

If Richards returns to form I would think about extending him on a short deal. I think he is cheaper and somewhat of a Wheeler comp and I think we can extend him for less money and years.  I am not sure Wheeler has additive playoff experience or clubhouse intangibles. They both throw hard, have high spin, and contended with past injuries. However, the Padres always talk about Richards as a positive clubhouse voice. Then you can use Luc + Q (really like Q though) + Morejon / Lawson / Bolanos (pref. only one) as trade chips. Those are legitimate chips with upside and control.

2020 / 2021: Paddack, Lamet, Richards (if extended), Davies, Gore, and Patino.

Then phase out R and D, and bring up the next wave. Hopefully, at that time 3/4 of the SPs will be dominant.

Unless he pitches poorly, no chance on extending Richards cheaply on a short deal but he does pitch poorly the Padres have better, cheaper options with upside.

At Richards age ... and with a MLB need for good SP ... he has to go to FA to get that multi-year deal and prhad...ifollars from some team (not the Padres). Padres have too many other options to waste a rotation spot and big dollars on him.

Agree adding another SP ... even a Wheeler ... should not be a priority if by doing so it reduces the ability to improve the offense.

Should add that if we consider that the Padres paid Richards about $15MM for the potential of upside for one year (2020) ... if he produces consider that as a floor AAV going forward.

Better chance that if the Padres are not zeroing in on a playoff spot in 2020 he may be dealt at the trade deadline ... assuming he is pitching well.

If he is pitching well we are likely in playoff contention ...

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 1, 2019, 7:01 am

i want a COF capable of .830+ OPS vs RHP.. And a HUGE upgrade (think Whit) at 2B before a SP at the moment... A C like Contreras would be very much welcomed as well .. With that said as weve seen TOR's are like unicorns to acquire so if one comes to us via FA or Trade we need to act on it..

Quote from onlypads on December 1, 2019, 7:09 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 1, 2019, 6:41 am

Quote from onlypads on December 1, 2019, 6:18 am

If Richards returns to form I would think about extending him on a short deal. I think he is cheaper and somewhat of a Wheeler comp and I think we can extend him for less money and years.  I am not sure Wheeler has additive playoff experience or clubhouse intangibles. They both throw hard, have high spin, and contended with past injuries. However, the Padres always talk about Richards as a positive clubhouse voice. Then you can use Luc + Q (really like Q though) + Morejon / Lawson / Bolanos (pref. only one) as trade chips. Those are legitimate chips with upside and control.

2020 / 2021: Paddack, Lamet, Richards (if extended), Davies, Gore, and Patino.

Then phase out R and D, and bring up the next wave. Hopefully, at that time 3/4 of the SPs will be dominant.

Unless he pitches poorly, no chance on extending Richards cheaply on a short deal but he does pitch poorly the Padres have better, cheaper options with upside.

At Richards age ... and with a MLB need for good SP ... he has to go to FA to get that multi-year deal and premium dollars from some team (not the Padres). Padres have too many other options to waste a rotation spot and big dollars on him.

Agree adding another SP ... even a Wheeler ... should not be a priority if by doing so it reduces the ability to improve the offense.

Is he really getting more than Madbum or Ryu at his age next year? Assuming he slots in well at 2/3, I really think 2/36 or 3/50 is possible for TOR spin. I see value in his veteran presence with the young arms and his ability to free up controllable SP trade chips. Not sure I feel comfortable having all young arms in 2021 when in our window.

Maybe if we trade Luc or Q, Hamels on a cheap 2 year bridges us and gives another vet example for the young guys to observe. Less concerned with 2022.

Quote from onlypads on December 1, 2019, 7:12 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 1, 2019, 7:01 am

i want a COF capable of .830+ OPS vs RHP.. And a HUGE upgrade (think Whit) at 2B before a SP at the moment... A C like Contreras would be very much welcomed as well .. With that said as weve seen TOR's are like unicorns to acquire so if one comes to us via FA or Trade we need to act on it..

Yep 100%. Edit: I lied. I want two OF bats that hits 800+ OPS against R. I think Trammel and Grisham can slot in various places in the future -- whether that be CF/LF. I actually think neither Contreras or Whit shouldn't be signed to long term deals. I am being such a homer, but I really want to see Mejia and Edwards develop. This is why I am so high on Villar being signed. Great bridge: instant improvement and will not block future prospects.

Quote from fenn68 on December 1, 2019, 7:17 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 1, 2019, 6:57 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 1, 2019, 6:52 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 1, 2019, 6:41 am

Quote from onlypads on December 1, 2019, 6:18 am

If Richards returns to form I would think about extending him on a short deal. I think he is cheaper and somewhat of a Wheeler comp and I think we can extend him for less money and years.  I am not sure Wheeler has additive playoff experience or clubhouse intangibles. They both throw hard, have high spin, and contended with past injuries. However, the Padres always talk about Richards as a positive clubhouse voice. Then you can use Luc + Q (really like Q though) + Morejon / Lawson / Bolanos (pref. only one) as trade chips. Those are legitimate chips with upside and control.

2020 / 2021: Paddack, Lamet, Richards (if extended), Davies, Gore, and Patino.

Then phase out R and D, and bring up the next wave. Hopefully, at that time 3/4 of the SPs will be dominant.

Unless he pitches poorly, no chance on extending Richards cheaply on a short deal but he does pitch poorly the Padres have better, cheaper options with upside.

At Richards age ... and with a MLB need for good SP ... he has to go to FA to get that multi-year deal and prhad...ifollars from some team (not the Padres). Padres have too many other options to waste a rotation spot and big dollars on him.

Agree adding another SP ... even a Wheeler ... should not be a priority if by doing so it reduces the ability to improve the offense.

Should add that if we consider that the Padres paid Richards about $15MM for the potential of upside for one year (2020) ... if he produces consider that as a floor AAV going forward.

Better chance that if the Padres are not zeroing in on a playoff spot in 2020 he may be dealt at the trade deadline ... assuming he is pitching well.

If he is pitching well we are likely in playoff contention ...

Not unless there is a significant upgrade to the offense ... a 19 - 20 win improvement is not easy with one of the poorest offenses in MLB. Remember with one of the best SP staffs in 2019 the Mets did not really contend.

As it stand SHOULD get improvement from a full season of Tatis (unless he regresses or gets another injury), playing Mejia over Hedges for more of the time, and maybe Grisham as a LHH CF (but jury is still out until he produces). That is not enough and still comes with some big “if” conditions.

Do think they are on track to make major strides forward and make the .500 level or slightly above real 2020 contention will be a result of some remarkable improvements or more trades.

 

Quote from fenn68 on December 1, 2019, 7:28 am

If the Padres have any money to deploy they better focus that on offensive upgrades and take the gamble on the high end, low cost SP producing.

Paying big money for SP so you can trade high end, low cost SP to get major offense upgrades who will also carry big contracts is an unlikely scenario without a much bigger payroll than anyone envisions.

Really no interested in multi-year deals at big dollars for 30+ year olds that may be sitting in the middle of the rotation while keeping the Padres top prospects in the minors or traded.

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 1, 2019, 7:37 am

A team like the Red Sox for Benintendi would want major league players in return.....but I could see the Royals taking prospects for Merrifield.

Yes......it would hurt,but I don’t think Lamet would have to be included.

Same with Mariners for Haniger I think.....Patino would probably have to be involved in either deal.

So if you could only have one pitcher the next 4 seasons who would you most like to keep....Patino or Lamet?