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Bolanos & Lawson Fit?

How do these guys fit in do you think? What are realistic expectations? ETA / timeline and fit in the rotation?

Probably too early to tell, but curious because they seem to have legitimate potential (albeit less upside than Gore and Patino) and ML experience (in the case of Bolanos) unlike Gore and Patino.

I believe both have a place in San Diego......when their day comes. I can't imagine it's this year but certainly in the near future.

And I wouldn't want to venture a guess as starters or relievers. Both have the make up( seemingly?) to handle either.

Count me as a fan of both

Trade bait, both. Not due to lack of talent, simply lack of room in SD. I think both can be productive #3-5 ML starters, just will be behind other guys in SD. So might as well take advantage of full potential and trade them, for either a Conforto type, a 2B, or to offset Myers contract.

One more good minor league season will tell a lot but could end up either as a Padre RP or quality trade chip ... actually could happen this winter.

Hard to envision either bypassing Gore and Patino as potential starters ... toss up with Morejon if he can’t stay healthy. Evan bypassing Quantrill is still a long shot. But injuries, FA, and trades could improve their SP odds (especially Lawson).

Think Lawson has the stuff to be an effective RP ... not so sure about Bolanos.

If they are not traded this winter ... Bolanos is on the roster so we should see more during the season as a call-up. Lawson is not, so probably will be evaluated on his AA work.

Not sure any need to trade them now (only if needed for a good deal) ... young and with control so some good depth ... Richards is a FA after 2020 ... Davies is a FA after 2021 ... Lucchesi himself is a trade chip as a bottom of the rotation arm. So spots will open and not guarantee the other prospects will develop (or avoid injury).

I agree with pretty much everything you said fenn. I do think Bolanos has the stuff to be an at least effective RP however. The only problem with them is that they rate around 9-11 in line for starts. Richards, Davies and Lucchesie are solid pieces of the rotation but not part of the future. Right now I think the Padres are looking to build around Lamet, Paddack, Gore and Patino. If any of those falter next up is Quantrill, Morejon and Baez for the future. I like Baez for the BP and I think Morejon needs more time in the minors. Bolanos and Lawson are only really useful in case of injury this year. For us they are just depth but for other teams they could both possibly be solid starters. I can see them being used in trades if the other team values them more than just throw-ins. I can see AJ keeping them for a year as depth and to increase their value. It all depends on what people want in trades. If they want ml ready they will want Lucchesie. For upside Morejon. Mix of both Quantrill. If we lose any of those we will need to keep Bolanos unless we are comfortable with Margevicius for injury fill in. Lawson hasn't even forced his way into the conversation yet.

Agree and at some point the development (and ceiling) of the next wave of SP becomes part of the decision. Cantillo, Weathers, Contreras, ....

good way to make decisions when all the options have upside.

Quote from JasonE135 on November 30, 2019, 2:12 pm

I agree with pretty much everything you said fenn. I do think Bolanos has the stuff to be an at least effective RP however. The only problem with them is that they rate around 9-11 in line for starts. Richards, Davies and Lucchesie are solid pieces of the rotation but not part of the future. Right now I think the Padres are looking to build around Lamet, Paddack, Gore and Patino. If any of those falter next up is Quantrill, Morejon and Baez for the future. I like Baez for the BP and I think Morejon needs more time in the minors. Bolanos and Lawson are only really useful in case of injury this year. For us they are just depth but for other teams they could both possibly be solid starters. I can see them being used in trades if the other team values them more than just throw-ins. I can see AJ keeping them for a year as depth and to increase their value. It all depends on what people want in trades. If they want ml ready they will want Lucchesie. For upside Morejon. Mix of both Quantrill. If we lose any of those we will need to keep Bolanos unless we are comfortable with Margevicius for injury fill in. Lawson hasn't even forced his way into the conversation yet.

Idk I don't like Morejon's fastball (too straight? but not like a four-seam good straight) and I don't think he has any wipeout pitches.  He got smashed. I know his FIP was in reality lower than his actual ERA, but he never looked filthy.  He is more well rounded and has better control than a lot of our arms, but I am not sure he is more than a BOR.

That being said, I prefer Bolanos's movement.  Appeared harder to hit and at times dominant.  I brought up the topic because it is interesting that we seem to value him lower than Morejon and their timeline/fit is confusing.  Lawson has a wipeout offering also.

If we are talking upside, I like Bolanos (movement in all pitches including + FB), Lawson (curve, change), Baez (good off speed and frame is filthy) and Q (control, competitiveness).  They all throw 95+ too.

 

Lawson was absolutely dominant in the Fall league..his stuff is legit and I think he will have a Quantum leap up the ranks in 2020.. I think AJP will try to move at least 2 SP listed prior to this post in deals.. My guess is Morejon and Quantrill or Bolanos will be part of a package for a Comforto type OF..

When you start talking about Padre pitching in the lower minors, you are talking about another 1/2 dozen or so that have not even been mentioned that are ready to take a big step forward next year.  Certainly the desired trade chips are at the upper minors but don't be surprised how well the lower minors has been scouted.  Lawson, if healthy, should dominate and move to EP by mid-season.  Bolanos has nasty stuff but doesn't have it under control enough of the time - yet.  Richards, Davies and Lucchesi are the current odd men out when the next wave of SP comes and Lamet could be a dynamic bullpen piece if others pass him by.  It's a good situation to be in!

I didn't even bother to go into our lower minors. Yes we have talent everywhere. The only reason I left Lawson off my list is because he is not on our 40 man roster and thus not part of our immediate plans. I still like Morejon a lot. A LHP who can hit 98 somewhat regularly always has good value. I can never tell about LHP movement because camera angles are always optimized for RHP. He seems to be very similar to Julio Urias of the Dodgers. His curveball is an out pitch and a plus, along with his fastball. Along with 2 above average changeups that is very good stuff. But none of that really matters. As I said, right now we have 4 guys to build around in Paddack, Lamet, Gore and Patino. Everyone else is expendable for the right price. Quantrill, Morejon, Bolanos and Lawson all have very big promise but not all are essential. All of these guys have the stuff and or pitchability and temperament to be quality #2's if not Aces if everything works out. That gives us a lot of ammunition for trades. I used to really want to keep both Quantrill and Morejon but now I am okay with us trading them, as long as we get worthwhile value for them.