Quote from Randy Manese on January 19, 2023, 2:22 pm

As Fenn indicated, Kim is likely near the top of the next tier of shortstops who still have some upside offensively and is close to elite defensively.  The longer Preller holds out in trading him, the more competition there will be from other teams who are in need of a shortstop.  Houck wouldn't be high on my list for Kim because he is kind of like Martinez or Lugo in terms of being relied upon to be a starter - I like Luzardo or Cabrera from Miami much more because either can slide easily into the #4 slot and has upside to the #3 or even #2, but will have to prove durability to get there.

Another thing about Kim is that he has a great personality and will soon become a fan favorite with his hustle and dynamic plays in the field.  No pitcher we get will have that kind of crowd appeal although hopefully he will have great performance results as a SP.

Quote from JasonE135 on January 19, 2023, 2:54 pm

Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 19, 2023, 1:36 pm

In theory what's the least u would take from Red Sox in a Kim trade?

My bottom line price is SP Houck + CF/SS/2B Rafaela and SP Mata

*Reason I am asking is the radio waves in Boston going Kim crazy today

I read that article about "Red Sox receiving significant interest in Houck". Sox fans seem to believe that they can get both Kim and Campusano for Houck. NOT HAPPENING.

I wouldn't trade with the Sox unless I was getting a plus #3 type reliable starter with at least 2 years of control. The Sox have nobody like that. Houck, Rafaela and Mata are all unreliable risks. Risk is not what Preller is looking for.

Quote from fenn68 on January 19, 2023, 3:52 pm

Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 19, 2023, 1:36 pm

In theory what's the least u would take from Red Sox in a Kim trade?

My bottom line price is SP Houck + CF/SS/2B Rafaela and SP Mata

*Reason I am asking is the radio waves in Boston going Kim crazy today

If the Padres were non-contenders maybe but a hard NO in 2023 and a NL favorite.

Padres only move Kim (also applies to Grisham) for an established, reliable #3 type SP with greater than 2 years control (and low cost). Houck in not that for 2023.

Now if BOST would consider Campusano (back fill with Severino) and Rosario …might just talk. But they wouldn’t.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 20, 2023, 6:45 am

With the bigger bases and the new rules I expect Pitching ERA to go +0.50 to 1.00 higher in 2023 vs 2022... so a 2.20 guy is going to be 2.70 or so...

The larger bases and lack of shift will make heavy ground ball guys more vulnerable.. all those bang bang plays on the basepaths all of the sudden become "safe"..

Going to be interesting

Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 20, 2023, 7:25 am

https://twitter.com/mlbtraderumors/status/1616454362175242241?t=RZNWI2FHHlkZ9flV-q1LnQ&s=19

 

Kay has some very interesting metrics.. He was a very efficient SP at the start of his pro career and has some starts at the MLB level.. IP workload is light and not sure on his options situation BUT if he clears DFA and rejects outright assigment I'd bring him in on a minor league deal with a 6/1 decision and a ST invite

Quote from MrPadre19 on January 20, 2023, 7:43 am

"I'd bring him in on a minor league deal with a 6/1 decision and a ST invite"

 

How many of these type guys do we already have/need?

My guess is the Marlins are holding everything up right now on the SP trade market.

Probably weighing 6-8 different deals on 2-3 different SP's they have.

AJ not gonna trade Kim for Houck until he knows what's happening with the higher upside guys in Fl.

I would be ecstatic if we could land Luzardo or Cabrera in a deal for Kim.

Of course I love Kim and our infield with him at 2B will be elite...but after 53 years a World Series win is all that matters and adding a #4 SP who could be a legit #1 or #2 SP could very well be the last piece needed to accomplish this.

 

 

 

Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 20, 2023, 7:52 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on January 20, 2023, 7:43 am

"I'd bring him in on a minor league deal with a 6/1 decision and a ST invite"

 

How many of these type guys do we already have/need?

My guess is the Marlins are holding everything up right now on the SP trade market.

Probably weighing 6-8 different deals on 2-3 different SP's they have.

AJ not gonna trade Kim for Houck until he knows what's happening with the higher upside guys in Fl.

I would be ecstatic if we could land Luzardo or Cabrera in a deal for Kim.

Of course I love Kim and our infield with him at 2B will be elite...but after 53 years a World Series win is all that matters and adding a #4 SP who could be a legit #1 or #2 SP could very well be the last piece needed to accomplish this.

 

 

 

Like the old saying says "you can never have enough Pitching" especially if they aren't on the 40 man roster

Quote from fenn68 on January 20, 2023, 8:22 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 20, 2023, 7:52 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on January 20, 2023, 7:43 am

"I'd bring him in on a minor league deal with a 6/1 decision and a ST invite"

 

How many of these type guys do we already have/need?

My guess is the Marlins are holding everything up right now on the SP trade market.

Probably weighing 6-8 different deals on 2-3 different SP's they have.

AJ not gonna trade Kim for Houck until he knows what's happening with the higher upside guys in Fl.

I would be ecstatic if we could land Luzardo or Cabrera in a deal for Kim.

Of course I love Kim and our infield with him at 2B will be elite...but after 53 years a World Series win is all that matters and adding a #4 SP who could be a legit #1 or #2 SP could very well be the last piece needed to accomplish this.

 

 

 

Like the old saying says "you can never have enough Pitching" especially if they aren't on the 40 man roster

Kay is out of minor league options ... not a very optimistic on Kay's upside at 28 and passed through the METS and TOR before being claimed off waivers by the CUBS last DEC and now the CUBS without even seeing him pitch but him on waivers.

You can have too many pitchers especially if they are not good. First they all need to pitch ... not that many innings to go around ... Padres already have over 25 candidates for the 13 man pitching staff in AAA meaning 12+ will have to be cut (most are lottery shots like Kay).

Quote from fenn68 on January 20, 2023, 9:05 am

By my count +/- the Padres currently have 43 candidates in contention for the 26 slots in ML/AAA and that is not considering any pitchers listed as AA trying to move up (and my list for AA has 18 vying for their 13 slots which will lead to another potential five cuts not considering the A+ pitchers trying to move to AA).

Bottom line is that already going to be very difficult to get good look at the current options even after the injury few are eliminated and nothing clear cut to suggest Kay is a better gamble for the EP 13 than the other gambles.