Quote from Henry Silvestre on August 20, 2022, 5:28 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on August 20, 2022, 5:18 am

It would make a big difference if someone behind him not named Manny was hitting and he was scoring nearly every time he takes a walk.

Getting on base is what we need……but we need hitters to drive in the dang runs.

I have no issue with Soto’s game….he’s doing just what he has always done and been praised for.

It’s the 4-7 hitters that are the problem.

 

Yeah Tatis would have been #4.. in my lineup... no good having him lead off with all that pop ... f him

https://stathead.com/baseball/player-comparison.cgi?player_id2=beatyma01&type=b&player_id1=drurybr01&sum=0&request=1

Time for Beaty to come up.. unlike Bell and Drury we control him and can be our LF or 1B or both when Tatis/Kim are on the field at the same time.. tbh Drury + Beaty to me would be the way to go into next season...with Kim/Crone/Tatis/2 C's/Soto/Manny/Grish/... thats 10... 3 open spots (Profar? X? X?)...

HOPEFULLY with his shoulder healed he comes up and sparks the team a bit... DH/1B/OF.. no need for Batten at this junction.. and Batten could use some AAA regular playing time to be fair

Quote from Henry Silvestre on August 20, 2022, 5:42 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on August 20, 2022, 5:18 am

It would make a big difference if someone behind him not named Manny was hitting and he was scoring nearly every time he takes a walk.

Getting on base is what we need……but we need hitters to drive in the dang runs.

I have no issue with Soto’s game….he’s doing just what he has always done and been praised for.

It’s the 4-7 hitters that are the problem.

 

To be honest what we need behind Manny (if Tatis is leading off) is Josh Naylor type... super low strike outs..puts the ball in play type of .275-.300 BA guy... then #5 can be a SLG guy like Drury/Bell...  Crone 6 is fine but he needs to find himself (adjust if P have figured something out ..or is 2022 just off by his slow start?) 7 8 9 have been on and off all yr which is fine for that portion of the lineup.. just need 4 5 6 to be at least 1 of the 3 consistently dialed in ... why that #4 should be more of a non strikeout guy vs a pure power one.. if you can get both great ..but if not avg/non strikeout dude over power would be the safety net behind the top 3

Plus with Tatis back in May 2023.. Profar or alike would make up 1 of those bottom 3 spots..Grish the other and C the last one...

Quote from fenn68 on August 20, 2022, 6:44 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on August 20, 2022, 5:18 am

It would make a big difference if someone behind him not named Manny was hitting and he was scoring nearly every time he takes a walk.

Getting on base is what we need……but we need hitters to drive in the dang runs.

I have no issue with Soto’s game….he’s doing just what he has always done and been praised for.

It’s the 4-7 hitters that are the problem.

 

Actually for the season the Padres are 9th in MLB in OBP … so getting on base is not the problem. Of course the key factor is they are 4th in MLB BB% (how exciting!).

Offsetting that is that they are 21st in SLG.

My growing issue with Soto is his price (potential contract) vs his impact on the game. For that money he should be the one driving in the runs a la Machado and controlling the game … not passively taking a walk and waiting for others to produce.

I know the trend is to put your best hitter in the #2 slot … but in this line-up might it be better to put Soto in the middle of the line-up so he comes up with runners on base more often forcing the pitchers to actually pitch to him? Plus maybe those ahead get more pitches to hit (assuming the actually swing)?

I don’t doubt he is a great hitter but that only becomes a reality if he hits in games when it counts … not happening in the #2 slot.

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addendum: in 73 PA, Soto has a 21.9% BB rate but only 1 HR and 3 RBI (projects to a 10 HR / 30 RBI season). Sure over a season would expect him to be more productive but don’t think that is what the Padres are paying him for (or why they traded the farm to get him).

Quote from fenn68 on August 20, 2022, 6:49 am

I know we don’t see it but the Padres are actually 15th in MLB in hitting with runners in scoring position.

Maybe the vagrancies of season stats (success early / failure now) but really have to worry about the 15 teams WORSE than the Padres (of course they are not playoff contenders for the most part).

Quote from Henry Silvestre on August 20, 2022, 7:40 am

Quote from fenn68 on August 20, 2022, 6:49 am

I know we don’t see it but the Padres are actually 15th in MLB in hitting with runners in scoring position.

Maybe the vagrancies of season stats (success early / failure now) but really have to worry about the 15 teams WORSE than the Padres (of course they are not playoff contenders for the most part).

They are also 7th in OPS with RISP

Quote from Henry Silvestre on August 20, 2022, 7:44 am

A lot of numbers got skewed by early success on the road (Reds 6-0 etc.) And a huge run scoring series vs Cubs (4-0 in June).. throw in a few 3 run shots and a few GS and while the stats show ok.. the consistency of such is more volatile..

Quote from Henry Silvestre on August 20, 2022, 7:52 am

Quote from fenn68 on August 20, 2022, 6:44 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on August 20, 2022, 5:18 am

It would make a big difference if someone behind him not named Manny was hitting and he was scoring nearly every time he takes a walk.

Getting on base is what we need……but we need hitters to drive in the dang runs.

I have no issue with Soto’s game….he’s doing just what he has always done and been praised for.

It’s the 4-7 hitters that are the problem.

 

Actually for the season the Padres are 9th in MLB in OBP … so getting on base is not the problem. Of course the key factor is they are 4th in MLB BB% (how exciting!).

Offsetting that is that they are 21st in SLG.

My growing issue with Soto is his price (potential contract) vs his impact on the game. For that money he should be the one driving in the runs a la Machado and controlling the game … not passively taking a walk and waiting for others to produce.

I know the trend is to put your best hitter in the #2 slot … but in this line-up might it be better to put Soto in the middle of the line-up so he comes up with runners on base more often forcing the pitchers to actually pitch to him? Plus maybe those ahead get more pitches to hit (assuming the actually swing)?

I don’t doubt he is a great hitter but that only becomes a reality if he hits in games when it counts … not happening in the #2 slot.

——-

addendum: in 73 PA, Soto has a 21.9% BB rate but only 1 HR and 3 RBI (projects to a 10 HR / 30 RBI season). Sure over a season would expect him to be more productive but don’t think that is what the Padres are paying him for (or why they traded the farm to get him).

Soto is not the problem... he hasn't been on with RISP much and is hitting/slg at solid marks... he is getting on via BB at a > % perhaps knowing he has Manny behind him...if/when Bell gets going ... this lineup should be a machine that keeps producing runs no matter the approach it takes... it can also be a mix bag ..ie if I am Bell I try swinging at anything in the zone early and often.. if I am Profar I try the 6-10 pitch work them approach that has set the tables for the rest ... I think guys need to go the other way at tines ..something teams do vs us that I don't see us doing much of vs the oppo..

Quote from Henry Silvestre on August 20, 2022, 8:14 am

If I were BoMel I present this to Hader:

 

💯... I think Hader needs to chillax maybe come in to "Wild Thing"... have a laugh ..his stuff is ridiculous... get the MOJO back

 

Bring the Fun...

Quote from BoosterSD on August 20, 2022, 10:15 am

This has got to be the most perplexing team I have ever seen. Really think about it,

We complained about ownership not spending money-Seidler buys the team and makes it rain.

We complained about inexperienced managers-boom, fixed we bring in Melvin.

We complained about Hosmer at 1B-poof he is gone.

We complained about a lack of production in the OF-tada we get Soto

We complained about bench help-in comes Drury.

With all these moves that many on here all wanted, and we got, have to wonder what is the problem.

Maybe, just maybe, Hosmer was more important to the team chemistry than we gave him credit for???