Quote from fenn68 on June 16, 2022, 1:59 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on June 16, 2022, 9:54 am

So for the OF next season, I agree no Myers on a $20M per season type deal, but if he wants to come back for between $4-8M per season I can see value there for SD. And then I would proceed this way.

With the power Ruiz is showing this season, IF it is real, he can be your LFer, Grisham can slide to RF, and Abrams moves to CF. Or any combination of the 3 in the OF spots. Maybe since Grisham has already won an GG in CF, you leave him in CF, and place Ruiz in LF and Abrams in RF. Then with Myers and maybe Rooker you have a nice R/L balance for the OF.

Yeh, no big money deal for Myers but as a 30 year old veteran may be good insurance to cover the development of Abrams and Ruiz. Actually I like to see him … maybe not is production for $20MM but he is at least league average type. A bit worried about his injury history … so not a big commitment. The guy has fun playing … and that can be fun to watch.

If Profar opts out … starting 2023 with Ruiz - Grisham - Abrams is a risk that needs some insurance. Not sold on Rooker yet as an OF. Azocar is a bench piece at best.

The other option is to re-work Profar’s contract … he actually is one of the more productive LF in the ML … to add a couple of years.

With both Profar and Myers (or any FA OF) the Padres have to “know” what they have in Ruiz and Abrams and gage what it will take to re-sign their key strength … SP with Musgrove (going to be a BIG contract), Manaea will also command a very good contract, then Clevinger, Rodgers, and maybe Martinez will gobble up a lot of payroll space … how big to you go with Profar / Myers or “gamble” on the kids.

Except for Darvish, the Padres are not an old team so keeping their most productive parts together is both good for the team chemistry and for fan engagements.

Side: IF Musgrove keeps pitching as he has this year and coming off last season … and only 29 … his deal may be much bigger (from some team) than any of us projected. Eight years seems to be possible and that AAV might push into the upper 20s (maybe more from a contender needing a #1).

Quote from BoosterSD on June 16, 2022, 2:24 pm

Obviously with his ties to SD, throwing the no-no, and his performance for almost 3 seasons now, sign Musgrove. Gotta keep him, even at $3oM a season.

Unless I see some better soon, Manaea is low on my priority list. I would take Clevinger over Manaea. Of course, Manaea over Snell, so maybe a trade of Snell to save some dollars towards keeping Manaea.

Then, one or two steady, not star veteran OFers to balance out counting on the kids.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on June 16, 2022, 2:52 pm

• I wouldn't bring Myers back.. his power is fading and he seems like the type that will break down fast in his 30s...  I may offer Ptofar 4/40 (10 per) if he opts out of 8 for 23 and 10 for 24 which is what he has left... might not get him back for that but he also looks up to AJP and AJP was like a father figure for him when he signed with the Rangers... so maybe he puts $$ aside and stays either by not opt out or by signing a 4/40 type deal.. he is young enough to maintain this level of production for 4 yrs..

Musgrove might take 8/200 to 8/240 .. and Pads need to do that period...

 

With Campusano/Ruiz/Abrams/Batten and a slew of young arms ready for 2023...and Hassell/Wood/Mears and others for 2024... we have enough minimum salary studs coming up to load up on a few (Manny/Tatis/Musgrove/Yu) $$$ guys... and still have a lot of $$ left to round off SP /BP and any holes left....

Agree on Snell being dealt... also wouldn't mind exploring an Othani trade with LAA one which includes Snell +++++ going back to LAA for 2 selfish reasons... 1) Yu gets a JPN buddy and stays in SD...and 2) We can perhaps convince that JPN SP Roki Sasaki that throws 105 and should be posted in about 2 yrs to sign with us when the time comes....

Quote from fenn68 on June 16, 2022, 4:23 pm

IF the Padres want to deal Snell … they may get the same response as their efforts to deal Hosmer in the past … no market that will take his 2023 contract AND actually give the Padres something in return. That is UNLESS he has a lights out second half on 2022 (his history of 2nd half performance makes that at least possible).

Plus which comes first … dealing Snell (and his contract) to make room to re-sign Musgrove, Manaea, et al … or … re-sign the FA then try to deal Snell’s contract to offset the new contracts (and risk get holding the bag).

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As for Otani … would love to add him (and pay him on an extension) but LAA is not dumb and will demand a boatload for one of the mega stars of MLB … plus they have a strong (contending type) team so think ML ready prospects (Abrams? Gore?).

Padres might just wait for his FA and jump in then.

Quote from lafnboy13 on June 16, 2022, 10:14 pm

Quote from fenn68 on June 16, 2022, 4:23 pm

IF the Padres want to deal Snell … they may get the same response as their efforts to deal Hosmer in the past … no market that will take his 2023 contract AND actually give the Padres something in return. That is UNLESS he has a lights out second half on 2022 (his history of 2nd half performance makes that at least possible).

Plus which comes first … dealing Snell (and his contract) to make room to re-sign Musgrove, Manaea, et al … or … re-sign the FA then try to deal Snell’s contract to offset the new contracts (and risk get holding the bag).

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As for Otani … would love to add him (and pay him on an extension) but LAA is not dumb and will demand a boatload for one of the mega stars of MLB … plus they have a strong (contending type) team so think ML ready prospects (Abrams? Gore?).

Padres might just wait for his FA and jump in then.

I live in Anaheim and word around here is thag Ohtani wants Scherzer AAV.

Quote from fenn68 on June 17, 2022, 4:06 am

Quote from lafnboy13 on June 16, 2022, 10:14 pm

Quote from fenn68 on June 16, 2022, 4:23 pm

IF the Padres want to deal Snell … they may get the same response as their efforts to deal Hosmer in the past … no market that will take his 2023 contract AND actually give the Padres something in return. That is UNLESS he has a lights out second half on 2022 (his history of 2nd half performance makes that at least possible).

Plus which comes first … dealing Snell (and his contract) to make room to re-sign Musgrove, Manaea, et al … or … re-sign the FA then try to deal Snell’s contract to offset the new contracts (and risk get holding the bag).

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As for Otani … would love to add him (and pay him on an extension) but LAA is not dumb and will demand a boatload for one of the mega stars of MLB … plus they have a strong (contending type) team so think ML ready prospects (Abrams? Gore?).

Padres might just wait for his FA and jump in then.

I live in Anaheim and word around here is thag Ohtani wants Scherzer AAV.

I expect he will get that (or at least close). Reports have potentially the LAA going $200MM / 4 years ($50MM AAV)!!!!!!!!! Since Otani is only 27 … bet his agent pushes for a much longer deal given he can pitch and play the field giving some insurance of value later in the contract.

 

Quote from fenn68 on June 17, 2022, 4:16 am

Let us bask in the glow of the FIRST PLACE in the NL WEST SD Padres! Yes, only by .002 but ahead and sitting in the #2 NL playoff slot (and a 1st round bye). Actually, only .015 behind the NYM for #1 in the NL.

So, rejoice before we return to the wall of worry about all the things that can happen in remaining season.

Quote from fenn68 on June 17, 2022, 4:27 am

Quote from BoosterSD on June 16, 2022, 2:24 pm

Obviously with his ties to SD, throwing the no-no, and his performance for almost 3 seasons now, sign Musgrove. Gotta keep him, even at $3oM a season.

Unless I see some better soon, Manaea is low on my priority list. I would take Clevinger over Manaea. Of course, Manaea over Snell, so maybe a trade of Snell to save some dollars towards keeping Manaea.

Then, one or two steady, not star veteran OFers to balance out counting on the kids.

I clearly would take a HEALTHY Clevinger over Manaea … but at age 30 think Clevinger has only made it through one healthy season. Manaea may not be have the same ceiling but is still an upper rotation arm that seems more resilient. If, as a result of  some of the four FA leaving the Padres drop from their current seven plus arms, they drop to five, then can they afford the risk on Clevinger’s health (or trade Snell).

Now the flip side is that given Manaea’s season and past … at age 30 … he should demand a very good deal BUT given Clevinger’s health he could come in on a shorter / lower AAV deal (maybe with incentives) and that might get him back.

Personnally really like Clevinger not only for his pitching ability but his watchability on the mound and in the dugout … he is entertainment.

 

Quote from Henry Silvestre on June 17, 2022, 6:21 am

Starting pitchers: Tyler Anderson, Chris Archer, Chris Bassitt, Matthew Boyd, Dylan Bundy (club option), Carlos Carrasco (club option), Mike Clevinger, Jacob deGrom (opt-out), Zach Davies, Danny Duffy (club option), Zach Eflin, Nathan Eovaldi, Chris Flexen (club option), Kyle Gibson, Sonny Gray (club option), Zack Greinke, Andrew Heaney, Rich Hill, Clayton Kershaw, Dallas Keuchel (club option), Corey Kluber, Chad Kuhl, Jordan Lyles (club option), Sean Manaea, Wade Miley, Mike Minor (club option), Charlie Morton (club option), Joe Musgrove, Aaron Nola (club option), Jake Odorizzi (player option), James Paxton (club option), Martín Pérez, David Price, José Quintana, Garrett Richards (club option), Carlos Rodón (opt-out), Joe Ross, Chris Sale (opt-out), Luis Severino (club option), Ross Stripling, Noah Syndergaard, Jameson Taillon, Vince Velasquez, Justin Verlander (player option), Michael Wacha, Adam Wainwright, Taijuan Walker (player option), Trevor Williams

THESE ARE THE FA SP for thus OFFSEASON

 

RESIGN JOE

Try Manea and Clevinger (team friendly for sunshine)... and if we can't get all 3 back.. then it's JOE 💯... and 2 from this list... some good options in there..

 

By the way I WOULD "Qualify Offer" all 3

 

Reunite Bassitt and Manea.. best of friends ..probably would take $1 or $2 mil per each to be on same team..Bo Mel like their Papa too..