Quote from MrPadre19 on August 28, 2021, 5:22 am

So last night the Angels had a relief pitcher come in and pitch 4 1/3 innings.

Is that allowed?

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Quote from fenn68 on August 28, 2021, 7:00 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on August 28, 2021, 5:21 am

Quote from fenn68 on August 27, 2021, 4:29 pm

A little too early to think 2022 in depth but as we do have to consider the potential impact of the unknowns from a new CBA on player control / pay rules and the potential of a work stoppage that would minimize the value of any player only controlled for 2022.

As it stands:

C: Nola; Caratini

INF: Hosmer; Frazier; Cronenworth; Machado .... Kim and TBD reserves

OF: Myers; Grisham; Tatis .... Profar and TBD reserves

Somewhere out of Kim, Profar, and TBD1 and TBD2 probably need a starter quality to lengthen the line-up when some is the DH. Only "prospects" that may be in contention are Campusano and Abrams for a major role ... everyone else are maybe bench types.

Can't see deleting of the current crop of position players while trying to fill the open slots.

So you believe even after the surgery Tatis plays the OF?

I just don’t see it.

 

If healthy probably  … if not DH. If the surgery (if there will be surgery) does not heal by opening day … may not be an option to play the field.

Quote from fenn68 on August 28, 2021, 7:35 am

Wonder if the Padres and Tatis have some concern about having the surgery this off season given the “successful” surgery on Bellinger for a similar problem has not had him return all that productively (note he is not back to 1B but in CF). If Tatis does not have another problem this year … might they hold off?

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Clearly Tatis for his offense and his energy needs to play but, frankly, he is not the Padres best SS. Consider this season:

Tatis (693 innings) … -13.1 UZR/150 ,,, -7 DRS … -4.4 dWAR

Cronenworth (224 innings) … +4.9 UZR/150 … +2 DRS … +4.9 dWAR

Kim (238 innings) … +2.7 UZR/150 … +8 DRS … +2.7 dWAR

Add that season to date for all SS with 600 or more innings (26) Tatis is LAST in UZR/150 and dWAR and 23rd in DRS.

Tatis may have a great image and make visually spectacular plays but is not a good ML defensive SS. Then add that Cronenworth is in place and better … no urgency to put Tatis back at SS.

On the other hand, if defense is not that important compared to what a Tatis would give the team in an energy lift playing a very visible SS position … a choice. Then have to address the gaping OF hole with only Myers, Grisham, and Profar … and the debate on what position is best for Tatis’ health.

Quote from MrPadre19 on August 28, 2021, 10:45 am

That’s my thinking.

We need his offense more than we need someone else’s defense.

Where does Tatis want to play?

I say play him there…..

Quote from MrPadre19 on August 28, 2021, 10:45 am

With Weathers going today it’s a good thing we got a complete game by Musgrove last night.

 

Quote from WindsorUK on August 28, 2021, 2:48 pm

So does Fernando actually have a tear in his labrum? Or is it just loose?

Quote from fenn68 on August 28, 2021, 3:22 pm

Quote from WindsorUK on August 28, 2021, 2:48 pm

So does Fernando actually have a tear in his labrum? Or is it just loose?

No tear to my knowledge. A "subluxation" situation where the shoulder pops out of the joint ... hurts, can be popped back in, often with swelling and needing medication. Only if this become a common reoccurring situation they resort to surgery. Most people just live with the problem since most people don't have the activities that may reactivate the injury frequently.

Although the surgery may eliminate the shoulder popping out ... might have some concern that a secondary effect may be flexibility in that shoulder even if the surgery is "successful". Normally 5-6 weeks to heal with an arm in a sling ... so, in theory, Tatis would have ample time for the surgery, recovery, and rebuilding shoulder strength and flexibility before ST.

 

Quote from BoosterSD on August 28, 2021, 7:09 pm

They really just need to shut Weathers down, there is no finish on his pitches. They dont look to be in really bad spots, just no pop like the beginning of the year and batters are able to put better wood on the ball.

Quote from fenn68 on August 28, 2021, 7:17 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on August 28, 2021, 7:09 pm

They really just need to shut Weathers down, there is no finish on his pitches. They dont look to be in really bad spots, just no pop like the beginning of the year and batters are able to put better wood on the ball.

Agree. Paddack looks to be activated next week … some days off coming … maybe Arrieta returns from the hammy and Padres could be sitting Musgrove - Snell - Darvish - Paddack - Arrieta. I would even go back to Knehr for that 5th slot.