Quote from 3fingersplit on March 1, 2020, 8:23 pm

Quote from Henry Silvestre on March 1, 2020, 5:06 pm

Ya'll releasing Profar -- look closer  .333/1.110 OPS... he says F you all....

Yeah Joey Fuego is the #5 until he is not, dude led SP in lots of categories last yr.. Q is going to have to be Paddack like this ST to even be considered over Joey-- Likely Q to AAA --Joey #5 with a leach...

I guess we will see about Profar on or about March 10 when he has money locked in and besides if he can play 2nd base, which is why AJ signed him I think, then he would just be another in a long list of players at that position.....Dave Cash, the awesome Flanster platoon with Tim Flannery and Jerry Royster and who could forget O Dawg....Orlando Hudson.

Like I said I take Friarsonbase with a VERY BIG grain of Salt

Regarding Joey and Quantrill......I think you might have that backwards....Q would not have to do Paddack like things to break as the #5....just my opinion but Q has more upside....it should make for great competition and that leash could fit either one

Quote from Ben Davey on March 1, 2020, 8:45 pm

Never said he had to do "Paddack like things" to get the #5, but its harder to supplant Lucchesi than simply saying Quantril has the higher upside.  My thought was that despite our objections, it is probbly Lucchesi's spot to lose.  Quantril as the #6 who will probably get over 100 innings (unless you really think Lament and Richards stay healthy).

The Paddack comment was more about him being given the chance last year to earn a spot.  Gore/Patino havent been given that opportunity, and have a feeling they wont.  Now come midseason it might be another story, but for now it sure seems like they are behind the top 6 + Morejon and Baez.

Profar isnt going anywhere.  Those clauses are really only for minor league contract guys.  Someone like Lagueres might have a "if by March 15th it doesnt look like I will make the team..." opt out.  The Profar one is to save a bit of $, but you dont make that trade to cut him.

Quote from 3fingersplit on March 1, 2020, 10:22 pm

Ben.....The "Paddack like thing" comment was made by Henry not you but I need to disagree with you on one thing..."you don't make that trade to cut him".....seems to me the Padres did that very thing with Headley and Mitchell to the tune of 13 million dollars plus....traded for in Dec 2017, DFA in early May 2018 and then released outright May 2018 after playing in a whole 27 games that year.

I would agree with you if I hadn't already seen it happen

Quote from sportwarrior on March 1, 2020, 11:06 pm

Quote from 3fingersplit on March 1, 2020, 10:22 pm

Ben.....The "Paddack like thing" comment was made by Henry not you but I need to disagree with you on one thing..."you don't make that trade to cut him".....seems to me the Padres did that very thing with Headley and Mitchell to the tune of 13 million dollars plus....traded for in Dec 2017, DFA in early May 2018 and then released outright May 2018 after playing in a whole 27 games that year.

I would agree with you if I hadn't already seen it happen

That situation was completely different. Mitchell was the ultimate target when we acquired him and Headley. The Padres essentially "purchased" him to the tune of $12.5m by taking on Headley's dead weight. They cut Chase because he was awful and was never a piece they were interested in keeping.

Profar, on the other hand, was the one and only target in his trade. Preller has long had a thing for him. Plus we sent over two relatively significant pieces in Austin Allen and Buddy Reed, two guys who were significantly more valuable as prospects than Jabari Blaash.

It is highly, highly unlikely we cut him.

Quote from LynchMob on March 1, 2020, 11:36 pm

Haven't (yet) read above notes ... got the following thoughts from a friend who watched today's game ...

• Pagan has fantastic fundamentals
• Vosler has a great approach at the plate
• Announcers were talking up Grisham
• Profar wtih RH HR + LH 2B

On deck: RHP Chris Paddack will make his second Cactus League start at 12:05 p.m. Monday against the Chicago White Sox in Glendale, Ariz.

Quote from fenn68 on March 2, 2020, 5:13 am

Wonder if Preller might still be seeking a RHH ... legit defensive CF option that has some hitting skills and ML experience?

To start the season expect Pham (RHH) and Myers (RHH) both getting basically full time roles with Grisham (LHH) getting full time duty in CF. However, Grisham is still a work in progress and hard to gauge his ability to handle LHP over the longer haul. Need some RHH insurance?

Sure they have Lagares in camp as a non-roster player ... but he could never hit and at 30 don't know if his defensive rep still is justified (plus always an injury risk given his history). Profar has never played CF. Cordero / Naylor are LHH. Almonte is not a CF. Gettys can field but can't hit. Oliveras can play CF but probably a year away from consideration (and they likely want him to play every day to develop and not relegate him to a part time bench option)... maybe a late season call up if needed.

Wouldn't be that much of an issue if the Padres did not want to contend in 2020 ... and that requires a strong start and not nursing an underperforming player to see IF he develops and can't just run any player out there without any sense of his ability to handle that role. Just don't want Myers or Pham in CF to open a spot for a RHH corner OF ... such as Profar.

Next two weeks may be the critical path for Lagares and if he is lacking ... an end of ST move (maybe using a Garcia type or RP) can land a decent bench CF option ... only really need a one year control type veteran so not a major cost add. Maybe an end of ST waiver claim.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on March 2, 2020, 7:30 am

Quote from fenn68 on March 2, 2020, 5:13 am

Wonder if Preller might still be seeking a RHH ... legit defensive CF option that has some hitting skills and ML experience?

To start the season expect Pham (RHH) and Myers (RHH) both getting basically full time roles with Grisham (LHH) getting full time duty in CF. However, Grisham is still a work in progress and hard to gauge his ability to handle LHP over the longer haul. Need some RHH insurance?

Sure they have Lagares in camp as a non-roster player ... but he could never hit and at 30 don't know if his defensive rep still is justified (plus always an injury risk given his history). Profar has never played CF. Cordero / Naylor are LHH. Almonte is not a CF. Gettys can field but can't hit. Oliveras can play CF but probably a year away from consideration (and they likely want him to play every day to develop and not relegate him to a part time bench option)... maybe a late season call up if needed.

Wouldn't be that much of an issue if the Padres did not want to contend in 2020 ... and that requires a strong start and not nursing an underperforming player to see IF he develops and can't just run any player out there without any sense of his ability to handle that role. Just don't want Myers or Pham in CF to open a spot for a RHH corner OF ... such as Profar.

Next two weeks may be the critical path for Lagares and if he is lacking ... an end of ST move (maybe using a Garcia type or RP) can land a decent bench CF option ... only really need a one year control type veteran so not a major cost add. Maybe an end of ST waiver claim.

I'd sign Puig on a minor league AAA deal with a June 1st (or so) opt out clause if not on the mlb roster..

Quote from Brian Connelly on March 2, 2020, 8:08 am

The only ST guy I haven't heard mention of anywhere is Ronald Bolanos?  Anyone know what's up with him?

Well covered that they're slow rolling the young SP's, but he's older more experienced... ?

Quote from Brian Connelly on March 2, 2020, 9:01 am

???  Re Profar... if he is such a "lock", why did Padres add Dozier whose express stated goal is to "be a starting 2B", and was mad about getting platooned end of last year?  Chose Pads over other teams.

If Profar shows ANY sign of the "yips" throwing in ST, does anyone think Pads are going to hand him 5.7 MM & the starter's job?  Can you pay him that to be a utility guy when we have Valera(S) & Cronenworth(L) on roster paid 10x less?

We can all tie ourselves into knots with creative roster configs, but there is a lot of overthinking going on.  LOGICAL roster config is:  2 Catchers, 5 OF with #4 being LH corner OF bat first (Naylor or Cordero) & #5 being RH CF  capable Glove first (Lagares, Almonte(S), Olivares, or Gettys).... that leaves 2 Bench INF.   Most likely outcome by far is:   Profar (S), Dozier, Garcia (L)

But here are the relevant questions with that roster composition, in order of importance:

1.  Garcia is not the pedigree of the other two, BUT HE IS A "PROFESSIONAL" HIGH OBP HITTER VS RHP.  He costs the least, hits better vs 75% of  P's, and accepts what his role is.  To me, he's almost a bigger lock unless he were displaced by Cronenworth.  The argument that adding Dozier = subtracting Garcia doesn't make any sense.
2. It seems obvious to me that what Dozier REALLY is; is the roster's "missing piece":  A RH that pounds LHP which creates a way to play a RH/SH at 1B (Profar) if Hosmer can't find a way to hit LHP; while keeping the other RH in the lineup.
3. Are the PADRES willing to increase payroll even "just" by Dozier's 2.2 MM + possibly Lagares 1.4 MM + incentives for both... or are Fowler/Seidler trying to draw line in sand around 140 MM and there would have to be a payroll offset to do this (trade someone like Pierce Johnson or even Hedges)?
4. Would Dozier accept a bench role?  Logically he should accept the inevitable like Kinsler last year, but Kinsler wasn't on the bench day one.  A lot can happen during the year, and Profar extremely likely to make starts at other positions, but still would the chemistry work, or would there be tension/resentment?