Quote from fenn68 on June 18, 2020, 10:43 am

Quote from Brian Connelly on June 18, 2020, 9:17 am

Quote from fenn68 on June 18, 2020, 7:15 am

Advertising on uniforms!

ugggh... well, that will never go away now.

Drivers start you engines!

It will take a bit getting used to but think the US is the last holdout on advertising on uniforms (except for motor sports).

Actually it really is not annoying if you are really into the actual sport, not much different than the team name on the front or advertising on the fences, media boards ... all the international soccer league teams are “sponsored”, think baseball in other countries carry advertising. After a time, will not even be noticed.

The real interesting follow is who wants to pay for advertising on uniforms ... how much and which teams. Advertisers will want maximum eyes on the ad and be associated with success. So, NYY - BOST - Cubs - LAD should draw the most interest (and money) but not sure who really wants to be identified with DET - MIA - BALT - KC.

Other question is whether the team takes all the money or their is a league pool that is split. Given the league and owners ... each team keeps their own.

 

 

Quote from MrPadre19 on June 18, 2020, 11:02 am

It already has Nike and New Era etc on the uniforms/hats anyway.

Quote from fenn68 on June 18, 2020, 1:31 pm

Looks like the Union is not making this easier.

1. They say “just say where and when” and the players are ready to play

2. Manfred / Clark have happy talk and end up with a positive “framework”

3. Owners make a proposal of 60 games (up from the presumed 50 game plan)

4. Optimism abounds ... just detail to clean up

===== just kidding

5. Union makes a counter offer to 70 games and different money demands

6. As expected, owners “livid” and getting vocal for just cancelling the season.

===== not sure further delays helps the players in getting more games ... the calendar is the calendar with the chance of getting a season to extend beyond Sept at zero ... getting 70 in with travel or without off days is already a stretch.

 

Quote from hoffy51 on June 18, 2020, 2:07 pm

As much as I want to see baseball, there is a part of me that wants to say to the union, "Ok, you really don't want to play . . . see you next season."

Quote from fenn68 on June 18, 2020, 2:20 pm

Quote from hoffy51 on June 18, 2020, 2:07 pm

As much as I want to see baseball, there is a part of me that wants to say to the union, "Ok, you really don't want to play . . . see you next season."

Sure getting tired of this back and forth animosity over what is in reality a pretty small 10 game divergence in a multi-billion dollar industry for both owners and players.

I have jumped the shark and just walking away from the table ... and cancelling the season ... maybe be OK.

Quote from MrPadre19 on June 18, 2020, 2:47 pm

If the Owners were Ok with the proposal from yesterday At 60 games....And the players are OK with the exact same proposal but with 70 games.....just get it done!

Do the 70.......or do 65....and let’s play!

The number of games is only a huge deal to the guys like Trout or Machado making 20-40 mil a year.

For someone like Tatis its a small amount of money.

 

Quote from fenn68 on June 18, 2020, 3:33 pm

Quote from MrPadre19 on June 18, 2020, 2:47 pm

If the Owners were Ok with the proposal from yesterday At 60 games....And the players are OK with the exact same proposal but with 70 games.....just get it done!

Do the 70.......or do 65....and let’s play!

The number of games is only a huge deal to the guys like Trout or Machado making 20-40 mil a year.

For someone like Tatis its a small amount of money.

 

A smaller amount over a smaller base might mean a lot more to ... lets stay Stammen who is about at the end of his earnings power than Machado who has 8 years / $240MM still owed on a guaranteed contract. In the big picture of remaining earning power ... the big contract players are probably least concerned about a couple of days.

Actually not sure the only difference between the two proposals is the number of games ... seemed that the players were including more revenue sharing from TV revenues / expanded playoffs going to the players pulse full pay for the additional games.

I am not forgetting the owners were at a unilateral declared 50 games schedule as the plan ... then after the meeting when Clark was arguing for 70 (which Manfred insists he said was not feasible) he offered the 60 games (up from 50 / down from 70) as the compromise.

So, now for the Union to take that 60 as the staring point to compromise at a higher level is a bit hard to accept.

Quote from fenn68 on June 18, 2020, 3:49 pm

Players have to be a bit careful not to overplay their hand.

With the fact that the COVID-19 cases not really going down and actually areas that were not hard hit are now actually getting worse after “opening’ ... see FLA and AZ ... the owners may have a strong health reason to delay more or just cancel the season.

Sadly, CA which overall has been better than most (unless you are LA) is also seeing some regression and the Governor today has mandated mask across the state (before it was a county by county call) and delayed some of the opening plans.

All that makes playoffs just more risky for the owners since the players get paid for the games played in season.

Again there is a tipping point that makes the owners bail ... calendar is the calendar ... so at some point (soon) 70 is impossible ... not the much later 60 is impossible ... and the old 50 game unilateral declaration is put in place. Players can grieve their little hearts out but the owners have COVID-19, the calendar, and a 60 game offer on their side. Not sure what the players have other than a bias opinion that negotiations were not in good faith (very very hard to prove to an arbitrator).

Quote from hoffy51 on June 18, 2020, 5:39 pm

Fenn I think you are right. The players association is overplaying their hand. This has devolved into a game of chicken. I don't think that the players association thinks the owners would cancel the season. But I think there is starting to be some sentiment among the owners to do just that. Ok, you don't want to play . . . see ya.