Quote from fenn68 on December 6, 2019, 8:53 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on December 6, 2019, 7:53 pm

Quote from onlypads on December 6, 2019, 7:35 pm.

Downside: Cost is high. Redundancy with Profar.

Not necessarily, he could actually be CF/2B/RF. I think they are all positions he played last year.

Probably would give Merrifield full time 2B (the proven low risk option) and use Profar as the “super utility” option in the INF/OF .... athletic and a switch hitter.

Payroll-wise Merrifield is not a big cost over his control years but a big cost in prospects. The question would be if those same prospects could be used for a more impactful fit?

I would make the call if I were Preller. Not sure for the bigger team benefit those prospects would be better used for adding Haniger or Marte ... a Kluber type SP .... or disposing of Myers to free money to pay for a Marte or Kluber. Not sure who other teams want and trading the same player more than once creates some ill will.

However, if Pitt - Seattle - Cleve did their heals in on multiple prospects include an elite ... shifting to target Merrifield makes sense if KC is more flexible.

Quote from fenn68 on December 6, 2019, 9:05 pm

Side bar on the FA market. On MLB Hot Stove this a.m. and then in another report, it is suggested that Rendon may opt for a “shorter term deal” (5 years) compared to other FA his age / talent BUT shoot for the moon on AAV.

First reaction was to hit FA again at an early age but apparently he had said in the past that he really only wants to play for 5 more years and then get on with the rest of his life. Apparently some teams are liking that option to avoid the long term commitment.

Pretty sure from a cash flow perspective a creative contract with deferred money can be struck to help the team and provide years of security for Rendon.

Not a usual strategy. Not sure which teams have the space under the luxury threshold to cover the high AAV for 5 years but looks as though PHIL is interested along with the LAD and TEX.

Should be interesting got follow and interesting to see if other FA try the same gambit. As for teams, if they are realizing that the “value” in the far out years is minimal maybe they will like the plan to avoid carrying dead weight at the end.

Quote from onlypads on December 6, 2019, 9:08 pm

Yeah meant cost in prospects. Crazy to think we prob only have one significant move left. I mean, I am not disappointed so far. Slowly getting over losing Edwards. Would be great to add one more elite starting (LHH or reverse split)  positional player in a place of need.

Would have been ecstatic if we would have shed Myers and grabbed Hammels for a year. Ship sailed. Not sure we have the prospect capital to swing both the shedding of Myers and an elite position player at this point. Or the will to meet that price (expensive trades thus far IMO).

 

Quote from JasonE135 on December 6, 2019, 9:09 pm

Merrifield is going to be FAR more expensive than Hanigar or Marte. He is going to require multiple premium prospects to get him. Patino and Campusano at the absolute minimum, and almost surely more.

Quote from onlypads on December 6, 2019, 9:11 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on December 6, 2019, 9:09 pm

Merrifield is going to be FAR more expensive than Hanigar or Marte. He is going to require multiple premium prospects to get him. Patino and Campusano at the absolute minimum, and almost surely more.

Steep price. Yikes. Hope not. 2x top 100s for Whit would be a disaster.

If I am doubling down on this window, I guess I could do Morejon + Campusano + Miller + Q/L.  Would be really fun to watch this lineup though.

Quote from TatisJr on December 6, 2019, 10:45 pm

Looking at the value being attached to pitching and the demand for catching help, it seems the Padres are in great shape BEFORE the winter meetings. Acquisitions of Pham, Profar, Grisham, Cronenworth,  Davies and Pomeranz have improved the club and there is plenty of trade chips/depth to feel great about the future. Here’s a look at the inventory of available trade pieces *IMO*. Catching depth: Hedges, Mejia, Torrens, Campusano. I’d imagine 1 of those 4 get moved soon. Camp seems like he will be toughest to pry away from the Padres and likely has the most trade value of the 4. My money would be on Hedges getting dealt.
Davies, Joey, Cal, Morejon, Weathers, Cantillo, Bolanos, Lawson all have various levels of trade value as young potential starters. A few of them could be moved without damaging the future.
Then you have some various young attractive OF/corner INF options who could be moved like Margot, Naylor, Franchy, Potts, Olivares, Ona, Rosario, Head,France, Ornelas(don’t think Head or Ornelas get moved)
AJP has young lively BP arms in Reyes, Perdomo, Wingeter, Bednar, Guerra, Baez, Strahm, Castillo to offer a team in need of BP help.
I expect at least 2 more deals from the Padres using this young talent. AJP still has plenty of options for putting together a powerful trade package or two. He can improve the 2020 squad AND keep the future bright. The stockpiling of talent was done for this moment. It’s time to open the window! When AJP is done working this offseason the 2020 Padres will be playoff contenders and still have a core of prospects like Gore, Patino, TT, Abrams, Arias, Miller, Campusano types to call on when they are ready.

 

Quote from JasonE135 on December 7, 2019, 12:12 am

I expect no more major moves. I don’t think there is any ACE starter out there who would be worth the price AJ would have to pay. FYI, ACE starter is almost the only upgrade we still need.

I only see us giving up a ml quality pitcher if we get one back in a trade. Davies and Joey are our 4 & 5. We will need Quantrill, Bolanos and possibly Margevicious for injury fill-ins just like this year. Teams need 8-10 guys who can start nowadays with how often pitchers get injured.  Morejon, Weathers, Cantillo and Lawson are not ready for the big leagues. If we do move a C, I expect it will be Torrens. It would take a trade for real quality to include Hedges, and a major trade to include Campusano. I see many if not most of the RP’s you suggested, Mr. Tatis, being important to this team.

We can trade any spec from Campusano on down, but that only leaves Camp and maybe Morejon that  have major trade value. I mean, Pham type quality trade value. Even if we do trade them, what for? After picking up 2 guys, 1 of whom was major, for the OF, I don’t see AJ adding any more there. 3B, SS, 1B? Set. C? He already traded his 2018 closet for the best C prospect in the game at that time. 2B? He has added 2 guys. He could POSSIBLY get another but that would make Profar a waste of resources and a mistake. Everyone knows how easy it is for AJ to admit his mistakes right? BP? AJ made 1 major add to fix really the only hole in a pen that was already excellent. So. Starter is the only real place left to upgrade. AJ already signed Richards last year to possibly be our TOR this year. Paddack and Lamet are excellent and building blocks. He just traded for Davies. He is not looking to move him. Moving/replacing either Davies or Richards would require AJ to not only believe those moves were wrong, but also admit it to the world and everyone in the industry. Not happening. That leaves Joey Lucchesie. He gives us innings and a 4.00 ERA. If we trade for someone like Gray, we would have to give up at least 1 very high quality prospect and probably more. For what? The same numbers as Joey. The only improvement which would be big enough to be worth it would be Strasburg or Cole. Maybe Ryu. They will cost $20-$35 million. They could give us veteran leadership and swagger. I would expect them to give us an ERA .75- 1.5 better than Joey, along with maybe 50 more innings and a ton more strikeouts(not Ryu). Is that worth $35 million more to us on its own? Because if AJ doesn’t think so, then this is essentially the team I expect to see opening day 2020. Maybe a fringe add or 2.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 7, 2019, 4:03 am

I don't think weve seen the BIGGEST trade or signing from this team yet.. And all of you $140-$150 Budget guys ..STOP! This ownership group could easily go $175 either now or next offseason

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 7, 2019, 4:17 am

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 7, 2019, 4:03 am

I don't think weve seen the BIGGEST trade or signing from this team yet.. And all of you $140-$150 Budget guys ..STOP! This ownership group could easily go $175 either now or next offseason

With that said .. Team looks a lot better now.. Still have a ? @ C .. Is Mejia the offensive weapon he was when he became tge starter ? Or the struggling guy who came to us from cleveland or somewhere in between? Can Hedges become 2018 version and NOT 2019? Do we need a Sanchez or Contreras ?... If we are roll ing with Myers in RF fine.. But if not can we trade Myers nd to whom? Who plays the other COF if so? Do we need a Righty who can hit both R and L / otherwise we xould be too lefty sided and lose our edge (as good as LAD) vs LHP... Is there a TOR out there? Is Stras the Glue/SP ACE that brings our P TO the next level ? Is there any bettter fit for SD than him in all of baseball.. "Hometown heroe brings home the 🏆" read the 2020 Nov headlines.. Now for what I would do without touching our top 5 specs (Gore/Patino/Trammell/CJ/ Campusano).. In no particular order

1- trade Myers and at least 75% of his $$

2- Sign Strasburg

3- Bring back Stanmen cheap

4- Go after Haniger/Bryant via Trade or Castellanos tyoe via FA RHB that can crush it vs RHPw..

5- upgrade C to a sure thing like Sanchez NYY or Contreras Cubs

 

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