Quote from WindsorUK on July 26, 2019, 11:52 pm

Quote from fenn68 on July 26, 2019, 5:01 pm

Our good Padre buddy Buster Olney is reporting that the Padres are willing to move Morejon to get a front line pitcher.

Not sure how much more the Mets would want for Syndergaard IF Olney’s report is valid.

I'd think at this point Morejon has a higher ceiling than Syndegaard.

No deal there.

Quote from fenn68 on July 27, 2019, 4:58 am

Quote from WindsorUK on July 26, 2019, 11:52 pm

Quote from fenn68 on July 26, 2019, 5:01 pm

Our good Padre buddy Buster Olney is reporting that the Padres are willing to move Morejon to get a front line pitcher.

Not sure how much more the Mets would want for Syndergaard IF Olney’s report is valid.

I'd think at this point Morejon has a higher ceiling than Syndegaard.

No deal there.

Well I agree and having Morejon (2020-25) has more Padre value than Syndergaard (2020-21). I say the same about Gore and Patino.

Now the rest of the Padre pitchers are fair game.

Mets may just be playing this to the end and insider reports are rarely things to totally accept ... but two teams that really need Syndergaard and with those top 30 prospects to deal ... are apparently backing off (MINN and HOUS). Apparently no traction with Atlanta. If the needy are not ready to move top prospects ... maybe Preller is not wrong in not offering his.

Guessing this is a cold unemotional negotiation based on some internal player evaluation of Syndergaard and all the Padre prospects with their long term value to the Padres. Preller gets to a his max offer based on the internal evaluations ... Mets take it our leave it. Let another team beat it ... Preller is not going to bid against himself.

Quote from fenn68 on July 27, 2019, 7:47 am

In the latest write-up from MLB evaluating the needs for contenders has everyone (except Cleveland) wanting pitching (SP or RP or both) ... position players not in big demand and maybe only as a bench piece.

In that environment, the price to pay for quality pitching has to be elevated well over true value since there is not all that much quality on the market.

If you take the moneyball view, in this case should the Padres be offering ML pitching (e.g Yates, Lauer, Lamet, Allen, Quantrill, etc.) to get quality prospect hitters (still thinking OF). Padres have a lot of pitching prospect (some higher ceiling) to move into the void soon ... but don't have the near term bats coming soon.

Pursuing pitching in this environment seems counter productive.

Quote from fenn68 on July 27, 2019, 12:23 pm

One report has Markakis out with a broken wrist and Swanson on the IL. Might this change Atlanta's game plan for the trade deadline ... their focus was SP/RP while not giving up any prime prospects.

If Markakis (RF) is out an extended period ... Riley after a hot start has really slumped in recently ... they may need Camargo at SS (but really want him as super utility) .... Inciarte is just back from injury and not hitting ... has an OF just been added to their target list. WASH has been hot and coming fast ... risk of taking over the Division over a two month period left.

Also, in the back of their minds is that Markakis will be a FA and they likely will not re-sign Donaldson (moving Riley back to his natural 3B position) maybe making a deal now one that takes care of the 2020 issue. Less likely to pay for the rental?

Oh yeh, Padres have corner OF and potentially a RP. Preller on the phone?

 

Quote from fenn68 on July 27, 2019, 1:36 pm

Apparently creativity abounds. Rosenthal is reporting that a possible scenario being discussed is the Padres getting Syndergaard for multiple players then the Mets keeping some and dealing the others to Toronto for Stroman. No specific names just speculation.

Couple of key points ... Mets still want to contend in 2020 hence adding in Stroman plus a ML piece from SD or TOR.

SD covets Syndergaard and has no interest in Stroman.

Toronto apparently likes Morejon but may be also interested in Quantrill.

Toronto will want more than either pitcher for Stroman ... Mets will want more than Stroman for Syndergaard ... so, a number of other names (mainly from SD) has to be included but also could see other players (prospects) from Mets and Blue Jays going each way.

Confused yet?

Quote from fenn68 on July 27, 2019, 2:27 pm

We must have entered an alternate reality. The trade deadline has historically been the time when contenders pony up a premium to get key pieces for a pennant run.

Yet, in the above scenario, we have Toronto a non-contender, Mets a non-contender, and SD a non-contender all involved in a theoretical deal including two of the most sought after players available. Where are all the contenders? Don’t they see these guys the as worth a playoff run premium? Why are TOR and NYM not first pursuing premium returns? Is SD paying a premium (potentially) for someone others don’t deserve the premium even in a pennant race? Is this all mis-direction to get better offers from contenders for Stroman and Syndergaard?

All sounds suspect but worried (no matter who the Padres put in a deal) it will be an overpay given the lack of apparent strong competition for Syndergaard.

Quote from 3fingersplit on July 27, 2019, 3:49 pm

Do this in the off season instead of over paying in the trade deadline frenzy.....Stromen is this years Archer....Syndergaard is Mat Latos or Andrew Cashner all over again and neither pitcher is going to put the Padres over the top this year or next....keep your young arms and develop them and have a rotation like the Braves had with Smoltz, Glavine, Avery and then add the final piece like a Maddux.

With all of the really good young arms in the Padres farm system I have to believe this stud rotation is there and besides...if they really do make a trade and overpay with young studs that develop into long term stars for somebody else and get what I consider "B to C" quality veteran pitcher the fans will go crazy especially after being told to just endure the garbage baseball we have seen prior to this season with the mantra of " Help is on the way from the best Farm System in Baseball "

Do Not get caught in the Deadline overpay hype for less than top shelf players

Quote from Brian Connelly on July 27, 2019, 3:54 pm

Quote from fenn68 on July 27, 2019, 2:27 pm

We must have entered an alternate reality. The trade deadline has historically been the time when contenders pony up a premium to get key pieces for a pennant run.

Yet, in the above scenario, we have Toronto a non-contender, Mets a non-contender, and SD a non-contender all involved in a theoretical deal including two of the most sought after players available. Where are all the contenders? Don’t they see these guys the as worth a playoff run premium? Why are TOR and NYM not first pursuing premium returns? Is SD paying a premium (potentially) for someone others don’t deserve the premium even in a pennant race? Is this all mis-direction to get better offers from contenders for Stroman and Syndergaard?

All sounds suspect but worried (no matter who the Padres put in a deal) it will be an overpay given the lack of apparent strong competition for Syndergaard.

Ummm... doesn't the LACK of competition for him make it a better deal??!

Not as insane as it sounds; Stroman DOESN'T make any sense for Pads since only controlled next year.  Likely are trying to drum up interest in Thor b/c other teams know Pads with oodles of prospects are interested in him so interest may be muted as in "what's the point, Pads will throw in another prospect & beat us"... pure speculation.

Guys down on Thor but up on Garrett Richards make no sense.  15.5 - 18 MM for one year off TJ Surg for Richards vs 20-22 MM for 2+ years of Thor?   We clearly disagree on Thor's  value, but Pads can't roll out 2 guys off TJ surg + 4 rookie/1st/2nd year in MLB guys as a playoff/world series contending rotation.  It's ridiculous to "rely" on Gore to lead us to the promised land as an innings limited rookie at age 21.  You DO want to A) buy low, and B) trade for guys getting below market $, DON'T want to overpay vets coming off good seasons (Kinsler!)

Quote from fenn68 on July 27, 2019, 4:10 pm

Think the NYY may soon change the dynamic for SP? Last 7 games the they gave up:

8 v Rockies

8 v Twins

12 v Twins

7 v Twins

19 v Red Sox

10 v Red Sox

9 (so far) v Red Sox

average giving up over 10 runs / game ... now that is a bad week for the team that had the best record in the AL at one point. Not a great advantage to having in top bullpen if they can’t get to it with a lead.