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On Marwin Gonzalez, I thought I had heard that he might be a numbers game casualty for them somehow.  Not sure the circumstances.

I would have no problem with a multi-year deal for Gonzalez in the neighborhood of $30 mil over three years.  Would consider higher if the bidding went there but, as you intimated, there is a limit to where it makes sense for SD.  I think it also must be considered relative to what other deals, trade or FA, Preller has cooking.  Are there any "Gonzalez-type" players out there that are blocked and might be available via trade?

Would you guys consider Alex Cobb if BAL ate half the salary in exchange for say Austin Allen and Brett Kennedy or Trey Wingenter?  I think I would. Not certain though re injury history.  Pads need quality innings next year that I am not sure are anywhere near covered by the currently rostered group.

I think Cobb would be a very good trade target for the Padres (and probably a lot of other teams). Looks like his injury is well in the past with 179 innings in 2017 (very good 3.66 ERA) and 151 innings in 2018. Poor start to 2018 but finished the post-all star break with 59 innings and a 2.56 ERA. Cobb has a 3 year ($43MM) deal in place which would easily fit into the Padres payroll over the next 3 years. Padres also have the depth of prospects to out bid others.

What is hard to guess is what Baltimore's thinking will be. The worst team in MLB buried for the foreseeable future behind Boston - NYY - TB and not a very good farm system. Except for Chris Davis' and his ugly contract ... should be a low payroll team in 2019 and lower afterwards when the dump Trumbo.  The uncertainty arises for Peter Angelos now passing on operations to his two sons (new thinking?) and the firing of GM Duquette and manager Showalter. Not sure if Baltimore wants more payroll freedom getting some team to take all of Cobb's contact (but get less prospects) or eat some of his contract and get better prospects. Given that they should be also rans for years ... might opt for volume of good prospects rather than one top flight prospect in the mix.

Padres could opt to go either direction with both payroll flexibility (should be only about $75MM in 2019 with the current roster) and with a stacked farm system.

I would guess the Padres would prefer to take the full contract and give less in prospects but given the potential roster crunch to accommodate Rule 5 this winter (and in anticipation of the following winter) they may just push dealing prospects to keep a clear 40 man with Baltimore eating maybe about $13MM.

I would like Gonzalez but not to that extent. He will be 30 next season and although he has decent numbers for Houston his value is really his versatility ... which Houston loves and uses critically for their success. Sort of why think he resigns with Houston. Did look at his role and despite my memory of him as a SS/2B he really plays the majority of his games in LF with appearances at 1B/2B/SS. Probably worth a lot more to a contending team than a building team that has an overload in the corner OF and Tatis/Urias scheduled to take SS/2B. He really has no history at 3B and also a bit concerned his offense may be artificially boosted by being in the powerful Houston line-up and playing in their park (good for hitters).

Would take him but not really pay much to add him.

Padres fired hitting coach Matt Stairs and INF coach Josh Johnson.

I guess Stairs did not deliver the OBP results and Johnson could not make Myers a gold glove fielder at 3B.

Quote from fenn68 on October 9, 2018, 12:05 pm

Padres fired hitting coach Matt Stairs and INF coach Josh Johnson.

I guess Stairs did not deliver the OBP results and Johnson could not make Myers a gold glove fielder at 3B.

 

Mark Loretta?

Quote from fenn68 on October 9, 2018, 12:05 pm

Padres fired hitting coach Matt Stairs and INF coach Josh Johnson.

I guess Stairs did not deliver the OBP results and Johnson could not make Myers a gold glove fielder at 3B.

Wish they had also shown Schumacher the door.  OF and base running were his responsibility.  While Renfroe improved his defense, the overall result was poor given GG caliber Jankowski and near GG ability of Margot in the mix.  The base running was atrocious.  Really? We need to teach a major leaguer to run in a straight line to get from point A to point B faster?  He must have completely forgotten Pirela was on the team and not coached him at all because that guy could run into an out on a second deck homer.

To your query:  I guess Loretta or maybe Barajas as you or someone else was speculating over at MLBTR comments.  You were on fire BTW.

Quote from fenn68 on October 9, 2018, 7:32 am

I would like Gonzalez but not to that extent. He will be 30 next season and although he has decent numbers for Houston his value is really his versatility ... which Houston loves and uses critically for their success. Sort of why think he resigns with Houston. Did look at his role and despite my memory of him as a SS/2B he really plays the majority of his games in LF with appearances at 1B/2B/SS. Probably worth a lot more to a contending team than a building team that has an overload in the corner OF and Tatis/Urias scheduled to take SS/2B. He really has no history at 3B and also a bit concerned his offense may be artificially boosted by being in the powerful Houston line-up and playing in their park (good for hitters).

Would take him but not really pay much to add him.

Yeah I would have to be convinced he could play most of the games at SS credibly which I just don't know.  Haven't seen a recent scouting report, but it may be telling that he was not in the IF more when Correa was down.

 

Can the CLE guy you were talking about for 3B play SS?  There has to be someone out there that can pull a Chris Gomez or David Eckstein for the Pads for a year and then shift to UT who wouldn't cost a bundle in terms of trade pieces.

Quote from Commie on October 9, 2018, 5:35 pm
Quote from fenn68 on October 9, 2018, 7:32 am

I would like Gonzalez but not to that extent. He will be 30 next season and although he has decent numbers for Houston his value is really his versatility ... which Houston loves and uses critically for their success. Sort of why think he resigns with Houston. Did look at his role and despite my memory of him as a SS/2B he really plays the majority of his games in LF with appearances at 1B/2B/SS. Probably worth a lot more to a contending team than a building team that has an overload in the corner OF and Tatis/Urias scheduled to take SS/2B. He really has no history at 3B and also a bit concerned his offense may be artificially boosted by being in the powerful Houston line-up and playing in their park (good for hitters).

Would take him but not really pay much to add him.

Yeah I would have to be convinced he could play most of the games at SS credibly which I just don't know.  Haven't seen a recent scouting report, but it may be telling that he was not in the IF more when Correa was down.

 

Can the CLE guy you were talking about for 3B play SS?  There has to be someone out there that can pull a Chris Gomez or David Eckstein for the Pads for a year and then shift to UT who wouldn't cost a bundle in terms of trade pieces.

No Diaz is basically a 3B who can hit for average and take a walk without power or speed ... serviceable I guess but if you what some OBP he may be the best available for 3B.

As for SS, might take a shot at David Fletcher (24) who was a rookie last season with a stat line: 275/316/363 playing mainly 2B/3B but in the minors he was primarily a SS/2B. Never was a major prospect but might fit that Chris Gomez role until Tatis arrives and could fit easily into the RHH utility INF role for years. Not going to be a major factor with LAA given Simmons at SS and Cozart returning from injury at either 2B/3B plus never any real thought of him as much more that that utility type. LAA might be persuaded to deal him ... they may still want to contend with that star talent and under a new manager and would be better served signing a veteran 2B. They likely are looking for SP help (not exactly SD strong suit) but never know. LAA would want someone to help immediately so MAYBE a deal that leads with Richard and adds a Kennedy type might interest them. Sort of fringe ML talent for fringe ML talent to fill holes ... and that is OK.

 

Quote from David Nevin on October 9, 2018, 2:54 pm
Quote from fenn68 on October 9, 2018, 12:05 pm

Padres fired hitting coach Matt Stairs and INF coach Josh Johnson.

I guess Stairs did not deliver the OBP results and Johnson could not make Myers a gold glove fielder at 3B.

 

Mark Loretta?

Given the success rate of hitting coaches for the Padres (and really in general in the ML) .... why even have one ... just let Green and McGuire step in as needed? Should really focus on hitters that have learned the desired hitting skills in the minors and not wait until the majors to confuse them.

Having said that, would watch out for Morgan Burkhart (EP) and Doug Banks (LE) .... both pretty well respected hitting coaches in the system and if you like consistency of instruction for the young prospects on the rise ... they could make sense. With Tatis / Urias / Cordero / Naylor / Allen near term ... a minor league promotion could be the way to go.

Padres released LHP Jose Torres.

Torres was outrighted to Triple-A El Paso earlier Thursday, but that was only a technicality, as the Padres had planned to release the 25-year-old all along. He was suspended for 100 games in 2018 after being charged with various crimes including assault with a deadly weapon, intimidation, and possession of marijuana. It's unlikely that Torres sees significant interest on the open market.