Quote from LynchMob on March 9, 2020, 9:56 am

Are you just trolling, 3FS?  https://unlcms.unl.edu/engineering/james-hanson/trolls-and-their-impact-social-media

It's a good poll question ... a good debate ... because the answer is not clear ... there are pro's & con's on both sides ...

No one (except you) is suggesting that decision has been made already ... that ST is worthless ...

Rather ... there is nuance ... there is balance between what happened in MLB just last season and what's happening in ST this spring ... and ... there's A LOT that we don't know ...

Sure seems like the majority of us think that Q is likely the better long term pitcher ... and so the Padres will be better if/when Q gets to his full potential ... will be interesting to watch the Padres' org navigate thru this ...

Quote from MrPadre19 on March 9, 2020, 10:01 am

Quote from 3fingersplit on March 9, 2020, 7:43 am

Well there you have it....I sure hope players don't read that the fix is in and that spring training is a hoax for competition......at least for the pitching staff

The winner is L

Thanks....you both just saved me about 3k by not going to Arizona again this year for Spring Training or any future years for that matter...it's clearly a waste of time as the roster has been settled already.....I can save the trip and just watch it local at Petco when it actually counts.

 

The fix is in?

Come on.

And this discussion is just about Q and L....not about other players who could truly change their fortunes by having a good spring.

But "having a good spring" or changing your fortunes can be done in many ways...not just from the boxscore of a meaningless ST game.

Remember Jabari Blash?

Dude absolutely raked in the Spring a few years ago....but that wasn't enough to change everything else he had done up to that point.

They didn't just pencil him in as the starter based on his 9 Spring home runs did they?

It's possible it's a toss up between these two guys and the powers that be are looking at their in game performance to make the ultimate decision.

I just don't think that's the case here.....but as I said you can certainly feel differently.

I don't pretend to have any inside knowledge......it's just my opinion as is almost everything I type here.

And to clarify no one said Q couldn't take the spot...just that it probably wasn't going to boil down to only how they do in the boxscore of these games.

 

 

Quote from onlypads on March 9, 2020, 10:26 am

I am not sure how compelling it is that our 5th starter is above average as compared to other winning teams. Our team is offensively inferior to many of those teams. Well that is my belief anyways. If true, than the analog of other 5SP is really not all that applicable/helpful. We need to make up ground with our pitching in the regular season.

I am glad the poll generated some comments, I just think people are interpreting the question in one of two different ways and that is sparking the disagreement (both are valid). Either people are seeing the question as posed as what is likely to happen, or alternatively, what we hope will transpire.

For every example of ST being meaningless, I believe there are examples where players have earned a spot. And yes, because of the totality of the player's performance rather than one stat (e.g. ERA). Those of us in support of Q are not so naive to merely rely on ERA.

 

Quote from 3fingersplit on March 9, 2020, 11:35 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on March 9, 2020, 10:01 am

Quote from 3fingersplit on March 9, 2020, 7:43 am

Well there you have it....I sure hope players don't read that the fix is in and that spring training is a hoax for competition......at least for the pitching staff

The winner is L

Thanks....you both just saved me about 3k by not going to Arizona again this year for Spring Training or any future years for that matter...it's clearly a waste of time as the roster has been settled already.....I can save the trip and just watch it local at Petco when it actually counts.

 

The fix is in?

Come on.

And this discussion is just about Q and L....not about other players who could truly change their fortunes by having a good spring.

But "having a good spring" or changing your fortunes can be done in many ways...not just from the boxscore of a meaningless ST game.

Remember Jabari Blash?

Dude absolutely raked in the Spring a few years ago....but that wasn't enough to change everything else he had done up to that point.

They didn't just pencil him in as the starter based on his 9 Spring home runs did they?

It's possible it's a toss up between these two guys and the powers that be are looking at their in game performance to make the ultimate decision.

I just don't think that's the case here.....but as I said you can certainly feel differently.

I don't pretend to have any inside knowledge......it's just my opinion as is almost everything I type here.

And to clarify no one said Q couldn't take the spot...just that it probably wasn't going to boil down to only how they do in the boxscore of these games.

 

 

Really ?

I said the pitching staff.......never said anything about position players. I could care less if you want to rip me but at least get it right.

Not trolling anybody but for people to say that Q has no chance because L is Proven is absolute garbage....it's a competition or at least should be and may the best pitcher win but to say it's predetermined makes it sound like the fix is in and that is not only wrong but it discounts the efforts of the other guy but if predetermined fits your narrative just own it....you guys said it or agreed with it.

Quote from Brian Connelly on March 9, 2020, 12:15 pm

Quote from 3fingersplit on March 9, 2020, 11:35 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on March 9, 2020, 10:01 am

Quote from 3fingersplit on March 9, 2020, 7:43 am

Well there you have it....I sure hope players don't read that the fix is in and that spring training is a hoax for competition......at least for the pitching staff

The winner is L

Thanks....you both just saved me about 3k by not going to Arizona again this year for Spring Training or any future years for that matter...it's clearly a waste of time as the roster has been settled already.....I can save the trip and just watch it local at Petco when it actually counts.

 

The fix is in?

Come on.

And this discussion is just about Q and L....not about other players who could truly change their fortunes by having a good spring.

But "having a good spring" or changing your fortunes can be done in many ways...not just from the boxscore of a meaningless ST game.

Remember Jabari Blash?

Dude absolutely raked in the Spring a few years ago....but that wasn't enough to change everything else he had done up to that point.

They didn't just pencil him in as the starter based on his 9 Spring home runs did they?

It's possible it's a toss up between these two guys and the powers that be are looking at their in game performance to make the ultimate decision.

I just don't think that's the case here.....but as I said you can certainly feel differently.

I don't pretend to have any inside knowledge......it's just my opinion as is almost everything I type here.

And to clarify no one said Q couldn't take the spot...just that it probably wasn't going to boil down to only how they do in the boxscore of these games.

 

 

Really ?

I said the pitching staff.......never said anything about position players. I could care less if you want to rip me but at least get it right.

Not trolling anybody but for people to say that Q has no chance because L is Proven is absolute garbage....it's a competition or at least should be and may the best pitcher win but to say it's predetermined makes it sound like the fix is in and that is not only wrong but it discounts the efforts of the other guy but if predetermined fits your narrative just own it....you guys said it or agreed with it.

I go with 3Finger here....  What if Joey has another "mulligan" his next start, while Cal has 2 more good outings?  We're talking the 5th SP here, not a Cy Young winner getting sent to AAA.  Machado will be starting 3B near top of lineup even if his BA in ST remains .057 or whatever... HE has "earned it".  Q was 8th overall (projected at one point as #1 overall) in the same draft that Joey got 100K as a 4th round College Senior.  CAL is the one with the pedigree/upside, just on that basis alone he gets a longer "benefit of doubt" leash than Joey.

LOVE Joey's personality & competitiveness, but he has to develop more as a SP to remain in that role in MLB long term or he will--not next year, but soon after--begin to "price himself out" due to his rising Arb salaries.   But FENN is right that Cal would definitely have to outperform Joey to get the spot O.D.  In other words, he has to do well AND Joey would have to falter.  Same is not true the other way around.  If Joey is strong all ST, he definitely gets it regardless of what Cal does.  Not "fair", but the way it is.

Pads are where we've wanted them to be for a LONG time:  basically only battles in ST are for :  #5 SP (2 guys), probably just last spot in bullpen, 4th OF (2 guys but Trammell?), starting 2B (2 guys), and bench composition especially last spot.  Many guys in MLB camp are fighting for AAA spots... a sign of a good team!

Quote from MrPadre19 on March 9, 2020, 1:24 pm

Quote from 3fingersplit on March 9, 2020, 11:35 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on March 9, 2020, 10:01 am

Quote from 3fingersplit on March 9, 2020, 7:43 am

Well there you have it....I sure hope players don't read that the fix is in and that spring training is a hoax for competition......at least for the pitching staff

The winner is L

Thanks....you both just saved me about 3k by not going to Arizona again this year for Spring Training or any future years for that matter...it's clearly a waste of time as the roster has been settled already.....I can save the trip and just watch it local at Petco when it actually counts.

 

The fix is in?

Come on.

And this discussion is just about Q and L....not about other players who could truly change their fortunes by having a good spring.

But "having a good spring" or changing your fortunes can be done in many ways...not just from the boxscore of a meaningless ST game.

Remember Jabari Blash?

Dude absolutely raked in the Spring a few years ago....but that wasn't enough to change everything else he had done up to that point.

They didn't just pencil him in as the starter based on his 9 Spring home runs did they?

It's possible it's a toss up between these two guys and the powers that be are looking at their in game performance to make the ultimate decision.

I just don't think that's the case here.....but as I said you can certainly feel differently.

I don't pretend to have any inside knowledge......it's just my opinion as is almost everything I type here.

And to clarify no one said Q couldn't take the spot...just that it probably wasn't going to boil down to only how they do in the boxscore of these games.

 

 

Really ?

I said the pitching staff.......never said anything about position players. I could care less if you want to rip me but at least get it right.

Not trolling anybody but for people to say that Q has no chance because L is Proven is absolute garbage....it's a competition or at least should be and may the best pitcher win but to say it's predetermined makes it sound like the fix is in and that is not only wrong but it discounts the efforts of the other guy but if predetermined fits your narrative just own it....you guys said it or agreed with it.

"Thanks....you both just saved me about 3k by not going to Arizona again this year for Spring Training or any future years for that matter...it's clearly a waste of time as the roster has been settled already.....I can save the trip and just watch it local at Petco when it actually counts."

This is what my comments were about.

I'm sorry but I didn't realize by "roster" you meant rotation.

If you won't go to Spring Training only because Fenn and I think the decision on the #5 starter won't be determined by game stats that's up to you.

So much happens behind the scenes that "I" don't think having a 6.00 era or a 2.00 era in these games is what they are looking at to make their decision.

In other words...a bad outing or two in spring training games isn't going to erase what they saw all of last season for Lucchesi…..and while Q didn't pitch poorly last year "I" don't think a few good outings in ST is going to be a difference maker in their decision.

For the record I prefer Quantrill for his upside...….but I do like that L gives us a lefty in the rotation.

But neither are more important than what they think either will provide in 2020.

 

 

Quote from LynchMob on March 10, 2020, 12:49 pm

https://www.fangraphs.com/teams/padres/depth-chart

Fangraphs' depth chart has L pitching more innings in 2020 than anyone else 🙂

Name	IP	K/9	BB/9	HR/9	BABIP	LOB%	ERA	FIP	WAR
Joey Lucchesi	178.0	8.8	3.2	1.2	.308	72.9 %	4.15	4.21	2.6
Chris Paddack	168.0	9.8	2.2	1.3	.301	74.1 %	3.76	3.85	3.3
Zach Davies	166.0	6.3	2.9	1.3	.306	71.4 %	4.57	4.77	1.4
Garrett Richards	150.0	9.3	3.4	1.1	.306	72.8 %	3.92	3.93	2.8
Dinelson Lamet	147.0	11.4	3.9	1.2	.308	74.0 %	3.91	3.92	2.7
Cal Quantrill	56.0	7.5	3.0	1.4	.309	70.1 %	4.73	4.68	0.5
MacKenzie Gore	37.0	9.8	3.7	1.1	.309	73.9 %	3.94	4.06	0.6
Ronald Bolanos	9.0	8.1	4.8	1.4	.307	70.2 %	5.16	5.22	0.0
Adrian Morejon	9.0	10.0	4.2	1.3	.312	73.5 %	4.28	4.37	0.1
Michel Baez	9.0	9.5	4.5	1.1	.307	72.9 %	4.24	4.38	0.1
Total	931.0	9.0	3.2	1.2	.306	72.8 %	4.12	4.19	14.2

Quote from hoffy51 on March 10, 2020, 4:14 pm

I wish the Padres could trade Lucchesi and Hedges in a package deal and get very good class A prospect. If they need another starting pitcher during the season, I think either Gore, Patino, Baez, Bolanos or Lawson will be close enough to fill the bill, and it would open up a spot for Torrens to make the club.

Quote from LynchMob on March 11, 2020, 4:10 pm

https://www.mlb.com/padres/news/padres-roster-battle-26-man-roster

Is there any scenario in which anyone other than Joey Lucchesi gets the last rotation spot?
-- @Notabur53694587 via Twitter

Yes, Lucchesi is the favorite, but he definitely hasn't locked up a rotation spot (like Chris Paddack, Garrett Richards, Dinelson Lamet and Zach Davies seemingly have).

Lucchesi was poor on Saturday afternoon against the D-backs. He struggled to find the strike zone, walking four in the first inning. It's fair to view that start as spring kinks to be worked out. But Lucchesi's erratic control has plagued him in the past, and the Padres want to see him take a step forward.

The 26-year-old left-hander can easily secure the job with a decent showing over the next two weeks. But if he struggles, Cal Quantrill will get a very real opportunity to supplant Lucchesi. Quantrill missed a week with the flu earlier in camp, but he's looked sharp in two starts.