Quote from Henry Silvestre on February 9, 2019, 6:41 pm

Quote from TarheelPadre on February 9, 2019, 12:24 pm

Definitely excited about baseball being right around the corner.  Unfortunately, I can’t say I am too excited about the Pads as they sit right now.  I think it is misguided to think all of the top prospects will contribute at the level needed to help a last place team.  Historically, the Padres are awful at developing position players.  I am sick and tired of seeing every other team have some really nice productive, exciting “home grown” players while the Padres continue to develop Mendoza-line type players.

This team needs to sign either Machado or Harper to add some excitement to the roster.  Heck, I would love to add Moustakas.  Do something!

Whats Mendoza about Renfroes .805 OPS..m or Reyes bat for that matter....Hell Hedges was one of the better hitting C in 2018 too.. Gyorko had his best offensive season as a rookie in SD ..so good he signed an early extension . Don't look now but Padres position prospects have been a lot better as of late

Quote from Cptjack on February 10, 2019, 2:08 am

Moustakas is the kind of wasteful, pointless, counter-intuitive acquisition that provides absolutely nothing of value to the Padres that they are also so well known for. Might as well have declined Villaneuva's request to go to japan at that point.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on February 10, 2019, 5:00 am

Quote from Cptjack on February 10, 2019, 2:08 am

Moustakas is the kind of wasteful, pointless, counter-intuitive acquisition that provides absolutely nothing of value to the Padres that they are also so well known for. Might as well have declined Villaneuva's request to go to japan at that point.

Moose argues #ringcheck...lol

Honestly I prefer MARWIN..he is actually very useful short and long term..

But Moose on a similar deal to Kinsler is a buy low Bridge Vet..that can cover us at 3B in 19..maybe 20 and 21 as either we go get a 3B from next yrs FA class Nolan..Rendon or Boggarts and say goodbye to Moose or we keep Moose and wait for Potts

Quote from MrPadre19 on February 10, 2019, 6:59 am

If the money for Moose would be used in another,better way,than fine.

But if not,I prefer an established major league 3B to play the next couple seasons over another season like last year.

Will it be the difference between 4th place and the playoffs?

No.

But don’t Padre fans deserve a major league lineup and a chance to be competitive?

 

Quote from fenn68 on February 10, 2019, 7:17 am

In attempting to arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic that will be the 2019 Padres ... can't see how Preller can't make some filler / insurance moves to just ensure some minimal level of ML talent in the INF.

The current roster really is based on hope not performance and any development lag in the future talent has no back-up.

Tatis - Urias may be the future but consider Tatis (20) has only 353 AB in AA and will spend at least half of 2019 in AAA (gets him some higher level competition and adds a control year) and Urias (21) seems to be ticketed to start at SS (only about 100 minor league games there) then move to his 2B role later plus he still has to "prove" he can hit in the ML and play SS ... at 21 in the ML.

After that it get scary:

Kinsler (36) and only a 2B during his career ... good glove but declining bat ... probably not an everyday play at his age. Long shot he can effectively shift to 3B to make room for Urias at 2B.

Garcia (29) ... good LHH vs RHP but poor vs LHP ... career reserve playing 2B/SS/3B ...

France (24) ... only 94 AB in AAA and just a 3B option. Upside maybe but more likely better suited to start 2019 in AAA for further development ... good chance he is overmatched to start the year if in ML.

Guerra (23) ... he is what he is, a slick fielder who will be lucky to hit as high as .200 and not strikeout 40%. He is more a short term insurance policy for an in season injury at SS.

Pirela (29) ..who the Padres now list as an OF can play (poorly) 2B but no ML SS experience and one game at 3B ... good bet to be waived.

Quiroz (26) ... LHH non-roster utility INF with only 87 AA AB but a long career in the Mexican League ... OBP type guy ... likely at best a longer term bench role like Garcia.

Now throw in any kind of injury to Urias to start the season, and will be seeing ugly as we have not seen for years in the INF.

Need to add some stability at 3B but would also consider some versatility to cover SS. Marwin Gonzalez would fit nicely but hard to see it work for Gonzalez who SHOULD be getting a multi-year deal at some point for Houston (waiting on Boras). However, if HE is looking at the future his main positions (and he will want to get those 500AB) SS (Tatis) - 2B (Urias) - 1B (Hosmer) - LF (Myers) will not give him playing time and he really has not played 3B all that much ... can he be a full time 3B considering his offense would be about "average" and open question on defense ? Then Moustakas .. covered that option enough but odds are still on MILW.

Maybe they should add on a 1 year minimal cost deal a legit SS with some utility option. Both Iglesias and Hechavarria are still unemployed. IF they go Iglesias (29) they get some offense out of SS and elite defense and allows Tatis to develop in AAA at his own pace ... also would be a flip candidate at the trade deadline. Kinsler could start at 2B and Urias at 3B (played the in the minors some) ... or flip them. IF the went Hechavarria same set-up to start the season but better suited to maintain a utility role (at least defensively) after Tatis arrives.

Quote from Cptjack on February 10, 2019, 8:33 am

Quote from David Nevin on February 10, 2019, 6:59 am

If the money for Moose would be used in another,better way,than fine.

But if not,I prefer an established major league 3B to play the next couple seasons over another season like last year.

Will it be the difference between 4th place and the playoffs?

No.

But don’t Padre fans deserve a major league lineup and a chance to be competitive?

 

Not using the money in anyway is a better way. 7.5m extra for that established MLer to decrease performance out of the position from last year is exactly why it's wasteful. Why would a Padre fan want a major league lineup when it reduces your chance to be competitive.

Quote from Brian Connelly on February 11, 2019, 8:24 am

Quote from 3fingersplit on February 7, 2019, 12:37 pm

Phillies trade for Realmuto

https://www.mlb.com/news/jt-realmuto-phillies-marlins-trade/c-303642694?tid=282421090

I'm OK with losing out here.  Don't see how the Pads really could have competed with this specific offer unless they gave up someone we all classify as "untouchable"...

Alfaro is exactly "between" Hedges & Mejia.  Ultra-elite arm maybe better than both, not the hitting prospect Mejia is, not the total package defensive C Hedges is, but better so far in MLB than Hedges as a hitter, but with extreme K / low BB rates of 35/4%.  Hedges is around 30/5%.  It would be "Homer" to honestly say Hedges projects to a better career than Alfaro; who has more upside, but more to prove.  Mejia probably even higher ceiling, but more risk of not being an everyday C.

Third piece P Stewart a decent prospect; but he & Intl $ easy to match/beat out of Pads system depth.

Deal winner = Sanchez.  He grades superior to Patino, although similar builds.  A better comp might be Anderson Espinoza with better health & control.  Not as good as "no touch" Gore, but better prospect than Paddack due to far superior FB... time will tell, but Pads 3 prospects in Sanchez' range were Mejia, Urias (more valuable to Pads than just about any other team for OBP skills), and Paddack... who I would only have been willing to deal if JTR agreed to extend.  Was hoping for a deal constructed around one of the C's + a lower top 1o0 guy but only with an extension agreed to...

Phils win trade battle b/c trying to win now, not in 2 years when Sanchez hits MLB.  Deal makes sense for them, not for Pads.

Quote from fenn68 on February 11, 2019, 9:28 am

Saw a note (think from Cassavel) that it is unlikely that the Padres trade any of the corner OF surplus this winter. Probably a function of not having a market at a price that works for the Padres ... teams would "take" anyone but they are not good enough (or proven enough) to generate a decent return.

Since all except Myers has minor league options and are all long control / league minimum if in the ML ... more value to the Padres to continue to develop / find out the best between the ML / MiL .... so "hold" is a fair approach.

Now that will set-up and interesting decision on "placement" since a minimum of one (and good chance two) get optioned at the end of ST. (DL is possible but does nothing for player development or roster structure). Cordero is most likely to be sent down and, unfortunately a good chance Reyes goes with him. ML OF becomes Myers - Margot - Renfroe - Jankowski (4th OF). 13 pitchers (they will need them to begin the season since they only have one off day in the first 3 weeks or so and pitchers will still be in the stretching out phase) ... 2 catchers ... 4 starting INF and (if they can find them) 2 reserve INF/OF. Strangely that might make (in the short term) Pirela a viable option as a 2B/OF.

INF Hosmer - Kinsler - Urias - France - Garcia (utility). High risk with those options and only one on the bench for INF and add one on the bench for OF ... that 25th man will be strategic.

Quote from MrPadre19 on February 11, 2019, 10:36 am

Quote from Cptjack on February 10, 2019, 8:33 am

Quote from David Nevin on February 10, 2019, 6:59 am

If the money for Moose would be used in another,better way,than fine.

But if not,I prefer an established major league 3B to play the next couple seasons over another season like last year.

Will it be the difference between 4th place and the playoffs?

No.

But don’t Padre fans deserve a major league lineup and a chance to be competitive?

 

Not using the money in anyway is a better way. 7.5m extra for that established MLer to decrease performance out of the position from last year is exactly why it's wasteful. Why would a Padre fan want a major league lineup when it reduces your chance to be competitive.

Decrease over last year?

I think I saw where Moustakas was like 12th in WAR for thirdbasemen?

In what could be described as a "down" year for him.

Ahead of guys like Andujar,Bryant(hurt),Gyorko,Frazier,Seager and yes....Villanueva who was 22nd.

Moose had a 2.5 WAR .........Villanueva 1.8.

I would think it would also be obvious which of these two has the better chance of adding to this in 2019.

 

Interested in why you think Moose would be worse than what we have?

Are you expecting big things from France and Co.?