Quote from 3fingersplit on January 16, 2019, 4:14 pm

Quote from Brian Connelly on January 16, 2019, 12:11 pm

Re: Machado's 7/175MM offer from CWS per MLBTR....

Even a team like the Padres, still emerging from a rebuild and more earnestly eyeing contention in 2020, could reasonably top an offer of that magnitude. (San Diego did, after all, sign a far lesser player in Hosmer a year ago.)

"""How's that 7 MM+ to Phil Hughes look now?! GRRR..."""

Seriously... 4/120?   Not a lot of risk to Machado there... re-enter FA likely as a 3B at age 30

Pads payroll would sit at 115 MM with very little room to either add OR cut/lower (majority of Myers pay in 19 is signing bonus installment)...

90 MM guaranteed to top 5 guys + dead $ in 2020...

... but ticket sales (and franchise value?) WOULD rise!!

"""""Or that 14 million for Headley and Mitchell"""""

Not that it matters because that leaked rumor about the CWS in at 7yr/175 mil is such a wild guess it makes any team in MLB thinking they have a chance.....25 million a year...that is crazy money for anybody but.....

Quote from Commie on January 16, 2019, 5:24 pm

I love the idea of getting Senzel, but it seems crazy that CIN is willing to move him even for Kluber.  Future All Star to elite performer. Only off limits guys in SD system should be Tatis and Gore. If CLE wants any outfielder plus Paddock and another prospect like Espinoza  or L Allen, done.

Riley is fine too, but when I squint i can see Hudson Potts being him in a year. If ATL wants Renfroe or other OF I would prefer to get some of their pitching back. Gohara and Beck for Renfroe and Stammen. Sign Moose for 2 and 20.

Quote from MrPadre19 on January 16, 2019, 5:38 pm

Quote from Commie on January 16, 2019, 5:24 pm

I love the idea of getting Senzel, but it seems crazy that CIN is willing to move him even for Kluber.  Future All Star to elite performer. Only off limits guys in SD system should be Tatis and Gore. If CLE wants any outfielder plus Paddock and another prospect like Espinoza  or L Allen, done.

Riley is fine too, but when I squint i can see Hudson Potts being him in a year. If ATL wants Renfroe or other OF I would prefer to get some of their pitching back. Gohara and Beck for Renfroe and Stammen. Sign Moose for 2 and 20.

I have an issue with this.

Yes I’d Like to get Senzel and he’s a fine 3B prospect.....but he’s still a prospect just like all others.

But is the #6 prospect really worth a Major League outfielder AND 2 other top 100 prospects?

I guess maybe.

This is why prospect for prospect deals are difficult.

No matter how good everyone “thinks” Senzel is he could still flame out in a couple years after reaching the majors.

So giving them a guy who is already a Major League hitter and two top 100 pitchers to me is just too much.

When have we seen deals like this by the way?

Where one prospect is traded for multiple prospects including a ML player?

Just curious.

Quote from Commie on January 16, 2019, 5:57 pm

Quote from David Nevin on January 16, 2019, 5:38 pm

Quote from Commie on January 16, 2019, 5:24 pm

I love the idea of getting Senzel, but it seems crazy that CIN is willing to move him even for Kluber.  Future All Star to elite performer. Only off limits guys in SD system should be Tatis and Gore. If CLE wants any outfielder plus Paddock and another prospect like Espinoza  or L Allen, done.

Riley is fine too, but when I squint i can see Hudson Potts being him in a year. If ATL wants Renfroe or other OF I would prefer to get some of their pitching back. Gohara and Beck for Renfroe and Stammen. Sign Moose for 2 and 20.

I have an issue with this.

Yes I’d Like to get Senzel and he’s a fine 3B prospect.....but he’s still a prospect just like all others.

But is the #6 prospect really worth a Major League outfielder AND 2 other top 100 prospects?

I guess maybe.

This is why prospect for prospect deals are difficult.

No matter how good everyone “thinks” Senzel is he could still flame out in a couple years after reaching the majors.

So giving them a guy who is already a Major League hitter and two top 100 pitchers to me is just too much.

When have we seen deals like this by the way?

Where one prospect is traded for multiple prospects including a ML player?

Just curious.

Yeah all good points.

Premise is that Senzel is considered ready now with significant upside. To me looks like Arrwnado without the Coors factor. Is that worth (counterpoint) a one and a half dimensional player plus two future 3--4 sp? Given the rest of the system, probably.

Quote from 3fingersplit on January 16, 2019, 6:24 pm

Quote from David Nevin on January 16, 2019, 5:38 pm

Quote from Commie on January 16, 2019, 5:24 pm

I love the idea of getting Senzel, but it seems crazy that CIN is willing to move him even for Kluber.  Future All Star to elite performer. Only off limits guys in SD system should be Tatis and Gore. If CLE wants any outfielder plus Paddock and another prospect like Espinoza  or L Allen, done.

Riley is fine too, but when I squint i can see Hudson Potts being him in a year. If ATL wants Renfroe or other OF I would prefer to get some of their pitching back. Gohara and Beck for Renfroe and Stammen. Sign Moose for 2 and 20.

I have an issue with this.

Yes I’d Like to get Senzel and he’s a fine 3B prospect.....but he’s still a prospect just like all others.

But is the #6 prospect really worth a Major League outfielder AND 2 other top 100 prospects?

I guess maybe.

This is why prospect for prospect deals are difficult.

No matter how good everyone “thinks” Senzel is he could still flame out in a couple years after reaching the majors.

So giving them a guy who is already a Major League hitter and two top 100 pitchers to me is just too much.

When have we seen deals like this by the way?

Where one prospect is traded for multiple prospects including a ML player?

Just curious.

I gave you a "Thumbs Up" on you post David....all these prospects are all on the cusp of either having a MLB career or falling into the abyss like others have.....Khalil Greene or Kelly Gruber, Ruben Rivera come to mind....Buy low and sell high has always been the mantra but as I have said before.....3, 4 or 5 players ( Major League and top prospects ) for 1 or 2 prospects......NOPE

Now for my Rant....long off season with nothing but what if's

I will continue to say that Renfro should not be included in any deal....all the other baseball people are saying he could be a 30-40 HR guy a year but we in San Diego just keep serving him up like chopped liver to other teams and hope  we don't regret it down the road. I would play Renfro everyday over Reyes and Cordero and let him get his groove going but no.......I'm sure he will ride the pine as long as Green is the manager so maybe Renfro should be traded to a team that is GOING to play him and when he lights it up it will be very easy to see why it didn't happen in SD

Renfro to the Braves for Austin Riley and whatever else comes into play....Renfro would thrive in Atlanta and be close to home....the Braves back into contention and the Padres will try to find a 30-40 corner outfielder and it won't be Meyers, Reyes or Cordaro

Rant Over 🙂

Quote from Booster SD on January 16, 2019, 6:41 pm

Quote from Commie on January 16, 2019, 5:24 pm

I love the idea of getting Senzel, but it seems crazy that CIN is willing to move him even for Kluber.  Future All Star to elite performer. Only off limits guys in SD system should be Tatis and Gore. If CLE wants any outfielder plus Paddock and another prospect like Espinoza  or L Allen, done.

Riley is fine too, but when I squint i can see Hudson Potts being him in a year. If ATL wants Renfroe or other OF I would prefer to get some of their pitching back. Gohara and Beck for Renfroe and Stammen. Sign Moose for 2 and 20.

While I like the idea of a young, promising rookie INF being anchored by Hosmer, the problem with both Riley and Senzel is they are both RH. Not that this is a big deal, but we are very RHH heavy on this team now. Even the two close prospects coming up are RHH, in Tatis and Urias. Maybe signing Moose makes us a little less RHH heavy. And when Cordero works it out, he will help even more.

Quote from MrPadre19 on January 16, 2019, 6:42 pm

I think a lot of us agree with you about Renfroe to a point.

But,we have an abundance of corner outfielders “right now” and if we are to get a “quality” return for one,or two,

we’re gonna have to give up the one(s) the other team wants.

If the Reds agree to trade Senzel.....and like you they like Renfroe and demand he’s included instead of Reyes or Meyers.....what’s AJ gonna do?

Same with Atlanta.

If AJ is making the calls and they want Renfroe.....I don’t think he’s hanging up over the difference between Renfroe and Reyes.

In other words.....for the very reasons you want to keep him other GM’s may be demanding he be included.

 

Quote from Booster SD on January 16, 2019, 6:52 pm

Since I live out here in the Valley of the Sun, and dont give two rats a@@ about DBack baseball I listen to MLBXM when driving around for work. Most of the pundits on there think very little about Renfroe and because he is "just" a power guy in their mind, he is a more like a dime a dozen than a sought after ML trade piece. So......while I like Renfroe a lot as well personally, more so than Myers because at least Renfroe is able to play everyday, I am not letting my attachment to Renfroe prevent me from getting either Senzel or Riley. Gotta deal from a position of plenty to get what you need.

 

Quote from fenn68 on January 17, 2019, 5:54 am

I have little doubt that Preller would include any of Myers - Renfroe - Reyes - Cordero in a deal if the return was that someone he thought would improve the overall club / organization.  None are that good (or have that elite potential) to make them untouchable. A case of buyers choice .... all 4 are different so potentially fit other teams' needs (wants) differently. I doubt any of them on their own will be worth a major return (unless Preller finds another Tatis type in rookie ball). I would expect a multi-player deal would be required to get a major return.

Now I would not discount other teams wanting these players .... they all have value to teams that are actually worse off in the OF (especially teams that think themselves as contenders for the playoffs) ... Cleveland is the current poster child for that situation but still don't expect a panic deal and overpay.

MYERS: potentially the best all around talent and most impactful BUT can he stay healthy and his contract is a major drawback

RENFROE: a one trick pony ... SLG ... however .800 OPS is better that some teams roll out in the corner OF slots with the advantage of being at league minimum and long control freeing up payroll for other adds.

REYES: potentially the best hitter if he maintains his development from 2018 ... clearly the worst defensive OF (way below average) and with his size will not ever be good defensively plus a clear concern that his size playing in the OF will create a chronic DH situation.

CORDERO: maybe the best overall athlete ... potentially the best power but at this point not good defensively, can't hit LHP, and has a strikeout issue. Pure potential and not someone that a team can be expected to deliver in 2019.

Sort of why I think the potential deal with Atlanta seems "balanced" by being 2 for 2. The way I see it:

Riley > Renfroe .... each fits a 2019 need (Riley's potential outweighs Renfroe's current SLG value)

Gohara < Mejia ... each are future plays (Mejia's potential as a catcher outweighs Gohara's potential as a LHP)

So, Riley + Gohara = Mejia + Renfroe (question is what Atlanta and SD think of all four).