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#271 · December 3, 2018, 11:29 am
Quote from fenn68 on December 3, 2018, 9:34 amQuote from Booster SD on December 3, 2018, 9:01 amSTL is said to want a corner OF bat, and looking to move Fowler. They would prefer to go LHH for that Corner OF bat, however maybe we could make a Myers/Fowler exchange work. Then we could put together a package of Margot, Hedges, Yates or Stammen, and Luchessi for Thor. Fowler as a switch hitter gives SD the ability to go all RHH OF or LHH OF based on pitching match ups with a combo of Renfroe, Fowler, Reyes, Jank, and Cordero. Then we take the Myers savings and spend on 3B/SS, and maybe Eovaldi. In 2020 we could have a rotation of Eovaldi, Thor, Laur, Richards, and Allen or Paddock.
Fowler? Well past his use by date (mark him down a a BIG StL mistake). He will be 33 next season and is owed $16.5MM for each of the next 3 seasons (ages 33-34-35). Plus last season when StL needed their big OF investment to help the contend he pushed out a -1.4 WAR (sub-.200 BA) and barely could get in the line-up (289 AB). I can see why StL wants OF help ... Fowler is an expensive flop. Would not want him in SD eating up any playing time.
Trade Myers ... sure ... but I think they can get a better (and cheaper) return.
Until 2018, he was still a high AVG, OBP guy that switch hits and plays CF. The question is why did he drop 100 points on both BA and OBP in one year. Hes not that old 31 to 32. If you think he can bounce back, then you have a career .360 OBP guy. If you think he is done, then it is bad money for worse money. And if they acquisition of Fowler could lead to getting Thor or Kluber, then I am OK with the gamble.
#272 · December 3, 2018, 12:06 pm
A better (and cheaper) alternative may be just sign Adam Jones ... not the defensive force he used to be (actually horrible in 2018) but still showed some hitting skills in 2018 ... probably out there on a 1 or 2 year deal around $8MM per. A lot depends on the Padres' true view on the future of Reed and Olivares in a couple of years. Jones is the same age as Fowler (33).
If that frees up more than one of current OF ... most importantly if that frees up Margot who may be more useful as a CF chip to a variety of teams ... might be worth the signing.
Personally, not in favor of signing any "older players" to multi-year deals (or trading for them) ... worse if part of the game was based on the legs / speed which has been known to go quickly leaving the player without much to offer. Would be very concerned about both Jones and Fowler in that respect. Might be why Fowler was only in RF with StL ... with poor defensive metric (worse than pervious years) ... of course Jones was worse.
#273 · December 3, 2018, 12:26 pm
If we use Margot as trade bait, I would be OK with signing some one to platoon CF with Jank. The kid has proven he can go get a ball in the OF, steal bases, and got OB against RHP. So it would need to be some one that still has D skills in CF and hit LHP. Since I dont see a lot of games any more, especially STL games, and I dont put a lot of value in stats such as dwar, uzr, drs at this time, Im not sure how to quantify Fowler in the field abilities. I know from what Ive seen and read, Jones is no longer a possibility for patrolling CF, especially in SD.
#274 · December 3, 2018, 3:17 pm
Someone reminded me now that Segura is out of the SS role ... and if you think Tatis will be starting in AAA .... the odds of Freddy Galvis gets resigned on a FA deal just jumped. Not a lot of teams looking for a Galvis type SS and there are a lot of others on the FA market.
Not as good as Segura but will be lower cost on a shorter deal plus Tatis stays a SS where apparently the Padres think he will maximize his value.
#275 · December 3, 2018, 3:31 pm
Quote from fenn68 on December 3, 2018, 3:17 pmSomeone reminded me now that Segura is out of the SS role ... and if you think Tatis will be starting in AAA .... the odds of Freddy Galvis gets resigned on a FA deal just jumped. Not a lot of teams looking for a Galvis type SS and there are a lot of others on the FA market.
Not as good as Segura but will be lower cost on a shorter deal plus Tatis stays a SS where apparently the Padres think he will maximize his value.
While I can see this happening, I still think the Padres go an alternative route. With Pirela and Asuaje (I know rough) still in the fold, I would think the Padres give Urias and Guerra the role at SS until Tatis is promoted after a couple months in AAA; and I could see them bringing back Solarte to compete with France for third base. It all depends on how much Galvis will cost in my opinion. I do believe that they want to sort out their options on the mound first and see how the winter meetings shake out before we see them go after free agents outside of Kikuchi
#276 · December 3, 2018, 7:29 pm
Quote from David Nevin on December 2, 2018, 5:33 pmI’d only want Seager if it means getting Segura.
Seager alone...at his contract,would have to be for little to nothing.
Im not ready to assume that Tatis,Potts and Urias are all sure to be stars.
Segura can play either SS or 2B.
Seager can play both 3B and 1B.
Potts is at least 2 years away.
The Padres need offense.
We could use “both” Seager and Segura.
How about Seager Haniger and Leake and some cash for Myers Renfro ( or a catcher) and Nix or simular. We get 3rd base covered much better OF and inning eating SP . Myers and Seagers money are close Renfro and Haniger are a wash some cash will make Leake attrative
#277 · December 3, 2018, 8:29 pm
Why give up on a 25 - 30 HR a year guy with a 500K salary and team control for 2-4 yrs ?
I just don't get why everybody wants Renfro gone.....Margot isn't going to give you those numbers
#278 · December 4, 2018, 3:50 am
I don’t think it’s a matter of “giving up” on anyone.
But the Padres have only one deep position of which to possibly trade from.... Corner OF.
Unless you count Catcher.
So it’s more of trying to improve the team by either trading Myers.....or one of our younger,cheaper controlled options.
Reyes/Renfroe/Margot/Cordero.
Which will bring the largest return?
#279 · December 4, 2018, 8:41 am
Something that will make Kyle Seager HARDER to deal (to anyone) at age 31 coming off a poor 2018 (OPS .673) .... if he is traded the club option for the 4th year converts to a player option at $15MM creating a 4 year $71MM liability for the buying club.
From Seattle's perspective that would force them to eat more contract (to trade him) that they don't currently have as a liability making the financials worse over time. They may be better served to play him in 2019 ... hope for the production rebound .. and market him next winter (or the following winter) to find a buyer.
Seems like a bad risk for any potential buyer ... and there are not a lot seeking a 3B at a lofty price tag.
#280 · December 4, 2018, 8:50 am
Listened to a report that as a precursor to any potential deal of Syndergaard will be the NYM ability to add a top line SP (could be FA or trade). If that happens their targets may be ML quality Catcher (Hedges?), LHH CF to platoon with Lagares (Jankowski?), RP (Yates?), plus a couple of top tier prospects to replenish their depleted farm system. I would guess pitching prospects (somewhat near term given the Mets roster mix) would be the target given their system .... Paddack and Allen?
No issue with the Hedges - Jankowski - Yates part of the deal but for only 3 years of Syndergaard and not much else SP wise except prospects in that timeframe and a bad offense ... would seem an unproductive add of Syndergaard. Plus would guess the LAD could easily put up a better package ... and potentially some other teams that are contenders now.