Quote from Booster SD on October 22, 2018, 7:20 pm

I am sure that this is going to come with some rebuking; however, I am thinking trading for Sonny Gray is a good idea for SD. Even last year with a bad season overall, he was two totally different players based on whether or not he was in NYY or away. He was really good away from NYY, a 3.17 ERA, 78K to 22B, and only 3 HRs. In NYY, he had a 6.98 ERA, 45K to 35BB, and gave up 14HRs in 60 innings. We all know that Balsley is the Pitching Whisperer and Gray was really good in OAK, perhaps he is just a small market guy. Lastly, his projected salary for 2019 is $9.1M.

Quote from fenn68 on October 23, 2018, 9:15 am

Adding Sonny Gray COULD be a good move but keep in mind that he is a FA after next season ... so picking up his $9.1MM salary for 2019 does not do much for the long run ... unless he does well and can be flipped at the trade deadline for something better than was sent to the NYY.

Sounds like NYY are willing to move him ... my guess is to shed his contract (they look like they might go after the likes of Corbin who will require some larger bucks and maybe some other high profile FA now that they went under the luxury tax limit for 2018).

Could we have another (but maybe better) set-up of a deal between the Padres and NYY where the Padres take the full contract plus a prospect for a second / third tier Padre prospect? Think Headley / Mitchell that may have looked OK at the start but went south fast. Same concept and Gray could go good or bad .... but a decent Padre gamble since the contract should to be that much a burden in 2019.

Quote from MrPadre19 on October 23, 2018, 12:31 pm

I'm not a big fan of giving up any prospect/s for a guy who most likely will be gone after next year.

We helped them out with Headley....don't really want to do that again.

 

Quote from ramrodd on October 23, 2018, 7:42 pm

The Seibu Lions are looking at re-acquiring pitcher Kazuhisa Makita, who was acquired by the San Diego Padres via the posting system last offseason. Makita has a 2 year contract with the Padres, but reports say the Padres might buyout the 2nd year.

 

https://twitter.com/NPB_Reddit/status/1054177699764199424

Quote from sportwarrior on October 24, 2018, 1:29 pm

Quote from David Nevin on October 23, 2018, 12:31 pm

I'm not a big fan of giving up any prospect/s for a guy who most likely will be gone after next year.

We helped them out with Headley....don't really want to do that again.

 

While I'm still fine with the Headley/Mitchell move, I also agree that we don't need to do it again. Especially if it costs us anything in the way of prospects. Our rotation would most likely better be served as an audition platform for 2020, anyway.

Quote from MrPadre19 on October 24, 2018, 2:18 pm

Yes...I have no issues going after Sonny Gray....but not if he will only be a Padre for next season and he costs us even an average

prospect.

I don't care about the $.

While we need to field a team next year and improving on this season would be great....we still need to be more concerned with

2020 and beyond....... than 2019.

IMO if we can't get a veteran for multiple seasons then we just need to roll with our own guys.

We have plenty of arms that could use the experience.

 

 

Quote from fenn68 on October 24, 2018, 2:30 pm

Quote from sportwarrior on October 24, 2018, 1:29 pm

Quote from David Nevin on October 23, 2018, 12:31 pm

I'm not a big fan of giving up any prospect/s for a guy who most likely will be gone after next year.

We helped them out with Headley....don't really want to do that again.

 

While I'm still fine with the Headley/Mitchell move, I also agree that we don't need to do it again. Especially if it costs us anything in the way of prospects. Our rotation would most likely better be served as an audition platform for 2020, anyway.

Since I think the NYY would make a deal just to move his contract .... and considering it is only one year .... guess a couple of "non-prospect" prospects would do the trick (maybe someone like Lockett who has a good chance of getting DFA'd this winter and Blueburg a so-so minor league RP ... Padres have a lot of options with their "non-prospects" and since they have to trim their 40 man anyway maybe dumping one of them would do the trick. Do agree would NOT do the deal for any real prospect.

A big part of the logic would be 1) the gamble he preforms as he did on the road last year and overall in the 2nd half which would set up a trade deadline (or sooner) deal for potentially a real prospect; and 2) given it is a bit vague who would fill the 5 SP slots to open the season ... he could and some early stability and avoid rushing up the prospects on Day 1 (plus the delay adds a control year which if Paddack and Allen perform as billed ... big plus).

If the deal is for "non-prospects" ... take the salary ... buy time for the Padres' top prospects (and gain control time) ... flip him mid-season (save 1/3 of his salary) and get something in return. IF the NYY are really desperate ... get a prospect with Gray in the deal (a la Mitchell).

2019 is not going to be a contending year with this roster so some flexibility to still play some roster games for the future.

Quote from David Jay on October 24, 2018, 4:00 pm

Just a reminder that while the Padres won't be competing in 2019, other teams across MLB will be. Therefore, assuming the trade market for Sonny Gray will be set based on what it would make sense for the Padres to offer is pretty crazy.

Quote from fenn68 on October 24, 2018, 6:01 pm

Quote from David Jay on October 24, 2018, 4:00 pm

Just a reminder that while the Padres won't be competing in 2019, other teams across MLB will be. Therefore, assuming the trade market for Sonny Gray will be set based on what it would make sense for the Padres to offer is pretty crazy.

I am guessing that the issue with ANY team trading for Gray is that the NYY will insist on the team taking his entire contract (via arbitration) at about $9MM and he is a one year rental .... also not lock to be better than"average" (remember NYY is looking for pitching and is trying to move him ... not a great selling point). Add that it would be a low chance he would be offered a QO next winter (and if were ... decline it).

That is not the recipe for any team giving up a quality prospect ... especially if the team does not have a deep farm system. So it may be an issue of the better of the mid-range to non-prospects. Then add the subtlety of the NYY not being eager to deal Gray (potentially effective) to someone that may be a direct competitor for a playoff slot.

Always can debate who is a mid-range / non-prospect (in my book Padres have quite a few) and how the NYY would judge one team's fringe vs. another .... but do think the Padres have enough in that category to play in the game for Gray.

Small chance for the Padres ... but possible.