Quote from BoosterSD on September 7, 2023, 10:48 am

I would seriously look at trading Soto. I really think you could get two really good prospects from NYY. With were their season is going to finish, and Cashman looking over his shoulder for the first time in many years, this would be the type of move they might need to make.

Their top 3 prospects are all OFers, so should be able to get one of them, and then one of Hampton, Thorpe, or Warren all 3 are SPs and could be ready by late 2024 or 2025.

I would even look at adding Grisham if it got me Dominguez and then look to add Michael A Taylor to pair with Dominguez. Or look to Azocar for a back up CFer.

Quote from BoosterSD on September 7, 2023, 10:51 am

If we believe that Kim is going to get over $2oM per season as FA, which I believe is a little far fetched after what is really only one above average year at the plate, then we have to look at trading him this winter as well.

He should be able to fetch a SP with some control left. Probably not a #1 or #2 level SP, but someone that Niebla can work with, and have for some cost controlled innings.

Quote from BoosterSD on September 7, 2023, 10:55 am

Unless Hader signs for what he made this season, or a small increase, gotta let him walk.

Snell, IMO is about the same. Many on here couldnt wait for him to be a FA, and let him walk. He puts together a great season, and now some want to spend $30M a season on him! No thanks, I can not see the risk of him reverting back to his old self, injured for part of the year, and only really for about half the season. I would put the QO on him, and try to work something out around an AAV of $20M. If he rejects that, then take the pick, and let him waste someone else's money.

Quote from MrPadre19 on September 7, 2023, 12:53 pm

I'm in the "keep Soto" camp mainly because he's 24 and may end up a top 50 player of all time.

How do you let that player leave?

BUT,in our current situation I get it....but we better hit on who we get if we do trade him though!

We need pitching and payroll flexibility too.

Unless Seidler just doesn't care what he spends as long as we keep packing the house and win a WS.

The fact we seem to have been in on signing Ohtani makes me believe he doesn't.

My ultimate guess is we "go all in" one more year and keep Soto before blowing it up in 25'.

Just a guess based on Seidler and rumors.

 

 

Quote from fenn68 on September 7, 2023, 12:59 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on September 7, 2023, 10:48 am

I would seriously look at trading Soto. I really think you could get two really good prospects from NYY. With were their season is going to finish, and Cashman looking over his shoulder for the first time in many years, this would be the type of move they might need to make.

Their top 3 prospects are all OFers, so should be able to get one of them, and then one of Hampton, Thorpe, or Warren all 3 are SPs and could be ready by late 2024 or 2025.

I would even look at adding Grisham if it got me Dominguez and then look to add Michael A Taylor to pair with Dominguez. Or look to Azocar for a back up CFer.

Seems as though the NYY are the best match given they are in NY with that fan base, have a real need for a LF and a power LHH, have fallen out of playoffs this year, and really have the money.

Guessing Dominguez will be a no go (and maybe their CF in 2024) … but would not object to Pereira who is probably a better CF now and a similar rated prospect coupled with a SP prospect and, given Preller, some unknown ROK/DSL kid with big upside.

Pereira Padres’ CF in 2024 and they could focus on a corner OF (easier to fill) and probably move on from Grisham. The $30MM saved on Soto could go a lot of ways.

Quote from BoosterSD on September 7, 2023, 1:13 pm

Quote from MrPadre19 on September 7, 2023, 12:53 pm

I'm in the "keep Soto" camp mainly because he's 24 and may end up a top 50 player of all time.

How do you let that player leave?

BUT,in our current situation I get it....but we better hit on who we get if we do trade him though!

We need pitching and payroll flexibility too.

Unless Seidler just doesn't care what he spends as long as we keep packing the house and win a WS.

The fact we seem to have been in on signing Ohtani makes me believe he doesn't.

My ultimate guess is we "go all in" one more year and keep Soto before blowing it up in 25'.

Just a guess based on Seidler and rumors.

 

 

I can understand everything that you are saying. And dont necessarily disagree with it as well. I was a huge proponent of getting Soto.

However, this current situation just isnt working, so something needs to change.

I guess it boils down to whether or not you believe that SD will resign Soto, and whether or not that is a smart move.

As Fenn and I have both pointed out, Soto is not Soto when batting at Petco. Will he get better at Petco? If so then a long term contract makes some sense, because of the bat that he has historically been.

If he never improves his Petco numbers, then that is a lot of money to spend on mediocrity for 81 games a season.

Shipping out a perennial all-star, possibly one of the best bats in baseball could hurt. It just might make sense to get something for him this winter and get a player that is better suited to handle Petco.

Quote from BoosterSD on September 7, 2023, 1:17 pm

Quote from fenn68 on September 7, 2023, 12:59 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on September 7, 2023, 10:48 am

I would seriously look at trading Soto. I really think you could get two really good prospects from NYY. With were their season is going to finish, and Cashman looking over his shoulder for the first time in many years, this would be the type of move they might need to make.

Their top 3 prospects are all OFers, so should be able to get one of them, and then one of Hampton, Thorpe, or Warren all 3 are SPs and could be ready by late 2024 or 2025.

I would even look at adding Grisham if it got me Dominguez and then look to add Michael A Taylor to pair with Dominguez. Or look to Azocar for a back up CFer.

Seems as though the NYY are the best match given they are in NY with that fan base, have a real need for a LF and a power LHH, have fallen out of playoffs this year, and really have the money.

Guessing Dominguez will be a no go (and maybe their CF in 2024) … but would not object to Pereira who is probably a better CF now and a similar rated prospect coupled with a SP prospect and, given Preller, some unknown ROK/DSL kid with big upside.

Pereira Padres’ CF in 2024 and they could focus on a corner OF (easier to fill) and probably move on from Grisham. The $30MM saved on Soto could go a lot of ways.

Was thinking that Dominguez could be in play would be because Spencer Jones is right on the heels of Dominguez in the NYY system and is ranked higher than Dominguez by MLB.com.

Although Jones is from Encinitas, so maybe SD gets Jones and he can play for his hometown Padres.

Quote from fenn68 on September 7, 2023, 1:36 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on September 7, 2023, 1:17 pm

Quote from fenn68 on September 7, 2023, 12:59 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on September 7, 2023, 10:48 am

I would seriously look at trading Soto. I really think you could get two really good prospects from NYY. With were their season is going to finish, and Cashman looking over his shoulder for the first time in many years, this would be the type of move they might need to make.

Their top 3 prospects are all OFers, so should be able to get one of them, and then one of Hampton, Thorpe, or Warren all 3 are SPs and could be ready by late 2024 or 2025.

I would even look at adding Grisham if it got me Dominguez and then look to add Michael A Taylor to pair with Dominguez. Or look to Azocar for a back up CFer.

Seems as though the NYY are the best match given they are in NY with that fan base, have a real need for a LF and a power LHH, have fallen out of playoffs this year, and really have the money.

Guessing Dominguez will be a no go (and maybe their CF in 2024) … but would not object to Pereira who is probably a better CF now and a similar rated prospect coupled with a SP prospect and, given Preller, some unknown ROK/DSL kid with big upside.

Pereira Padres’ CF in 2024 and they could focus on a corner OF (easier to fill) and probably move on from Grisham. The $30MM saved on Soto could go a lot of ways.

Was thinking that Dominguez could be in play would be because Spencer Jones is right on the heels of Dominguez in the NYY system and is ranked higher than Dominguez by MLB.com.

Although Jones is from Encinitas, so maybe SD gets Jones and he can play for his hometown Padres.

Jones is a few years away (so might be in play in a trade) and is probably a corner OF. From the NYY perspective both Domingues and Pereira could slot into CF in 2024 and with Bader gone … they need a 2024 CF.

MLB rankings aside … NYY have hyped Dominguez for a couple of years after giving him $5MM+ as an international FA …

Might “demand” Dominguez then … reluctantly … take Pereira only if the 2nd/3rd pieces are better … so goes negotiations.

Quote from fenn68 on September 8, 2023, 4:38 pm

Dennis Lin was on the D.Smith show this afternoon. The discussion was around Snell and Lin did not think the Padres would sign him this offseason. Basically he thinks Snell will get a contract that is outside the Padres “comfort level”.

That does sort of go with the past reports that Preller before negotiations develops a “value” for a player and if the player wants more … Preller just moves on. If the Snell / Boras price tag is near $30MM per year for 6-7 years (and someone will pay) … I can see Preller moving on.

Part of the follow-up discussion had to do with Snell being a “5 inning pitcher” and the problems that causes the bullpen over the course of a season. What may be more irritating is Snell’s comments that he is OK with that / that is who he is. My guess they look more to pitchers like Musgrove / Darvish who can give you 6-7 innings and take pressure of the pen more often than not.

If that is the case … more incentive to take the club option on Wacha and push to re-sign Lugo (probably a couple of years in the $10-14MM range). One additional plus the both will be controlled for only 2 years … freeing up spots for Lesko, Snelling, et al down the road.

For that 5th slot … assuming they don’t finds a bargain FA or make a trade … could Martinez return to starting (he, I think, will take the player option) or Avila (to start 2024) hold #5? Is it possible the Padres go all in on Yamamoto for Japan … top pitcher and  only 25 … would not be low cost but proven and young. 6 year deal still gets him his next FA at 31 to get a mega deal. Did I not hear that Darvish and Yamamoto were connected?