Quote from fenn68 on January 8, 2024, 12:50 pm

I guess no matter the computer value analysis … looking at the players in 2023 and what I reasonably expect … Kim / Suarez will deliver more on the field in 2024 that DeSclafani, Rojas, and Marlowe.

Note: might try a deal for Marlowe … don’t think he is as good as his part season 2023 or has much upside given his scouting reports … but LHH with good defense and should be a legit ML OF (maybe CF) … has speed. Seattle has restructured its OF and Rodriguez is locked in CF. Put the INF help aside … and maybe he can be had for a RP (Wilson? De Los Santos?) with ML experience. Would some type of package with Morejon be of interest. Even if he is a 4th OF … that is an upgrade from TBD.

Quote from JasonE135 on January 8, 2024, 12:51 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on January 8, 2024, 12:34 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on January 8, 2024, 12:22 pm

 

If the Padres trade Kim, a legitimate star SS, they aren't going to do it for 3 scrub level replacement players. I tried entering your trade in BTV and it laughed at me. I can see something like Kim and Iriarte for Bryce Miller, but Kim for scrubs? I don't see it.

When you did BTV, did you have Suarez in there? When I input those 5 players into BTV, it comes up fair trade.

It was ridding SD of the Suarez money, and being able to utilize those dollars towards Desclafani and then other needs.

But yes, IF SEA does not take Suarez, then it would not be a fair trade.

A $9.2 million closer is actually cheap. I don't think the Padres want to trade Suarez just so Seattle can afford to get Kim in return for replacement players. Suarez is worth more than $9 million and worth more than DeSclafani, Marlowe and Rojas combined to the Padres.

I can see a Kim trade to the Mariners, but the only available players they have who are close to Kim's quality and worth that Seattle has are starting pitchers. I can see something like Eguy Rosario for Marlowe however.

Quote from fenn68 on January 8, 2024, 1:02 pm

Merrill’s ML readiness (and Machado’s elbow) may be the key to the Padres making a call dealing either Kim or Cronenworth now … that might change at the end of ST. Additionally, Padres need to see what they have in Vasquez, Brito, et al to determine how hard to push for adding a bottom of the rotation arm.

As it is, if Merrill is not ready and with Machado as the DH … taking Kim or Cronenworth out leaves an INF of Bogaerts and the one not traded with two “holes” at 3B and 1B to go with two “holes” in CF and LF. Seems sub-optimal.

 

 

Quote from BoosterSD on January 8, 2024, 1:04 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on January 8, 2024, 12:51 pm

 

A $9.2 million closer is actually cheap. I don't think the Padres want to trade Suarez just so Seattle can afford to get Kim in return for replacement players. Suarez is worth more than $9 million and worth more than DeSclafani, Marlowe and Rojas combined to the Padres.

Is Suarez actually the closer though? He only pitched a half of season last year, and RP are notorious for bouncing back and forth between good and bad.

So that was the idea of including Suarez, clearing money of someone that may or may not be a closer, may or may not be healthy himself, and has 3 more years at almost $10M per season.

But to each their own....

Quote from BoosterSD on January 8, 2024, 1:09 pm

Quote from fenn68 on January 8, 2024, 12:50 pm

Note: might try a deal for Marlowe … don’t think he is as good as his part season 2023 or has much upside given his scouting reports … but LHH with good defense and should be a legit ML OF (maybe CF) … has speed. Seattle has restructured its OF and Rodriguez is locked in CF. Put the INF help aside … and maybe he can be had for a RP (Wilson? De Los Santos?) with ML experience. Would some type of package with Morejon be of interest. Even if he is a 4th OF … that is an upgrade from TBD.

I agree with Rodriguez locked into CF, someone like Marlowe is not as needed in SEA. So a smaller trade for Marlowe might be a good idea. LHH, CFer that can steal some bases, and had a decent OBP in the MiLs.

And that would give additional time for Marsee to season in the MiL, for a player that is still at league minimum himself.

Quote from BoosterSD on January 8, 2024, 1:17 pm

Quote from fenn68 on January 8, 2024, 1:02 pm

Merrill’s ML readiness (and Machado’s elbow) may be the key to the Padres making a call dealing either Kim or Cronenworth now … that might change at the end of ST. Additionally, Padres need to see what they have in Vasquez, Brito, et al to determine how hard to push for adding a bottom of the rotation arm.

As it is, if Merrill is not ready and with Machado as the DH … taking Kim or Cronenworth out leaves an INF of Bogaerts and the one not traded with two “holes” at 3B and 1B to go with two “holes” in CF and LF. Seems sub-optimal.

This and the readiness of Marsee, Pauley, and a couple of others that are that borderline are really the key to this season's opening roster.

If so and so IS ready, then he takes care of position X. If so and so is NOT ready, then there is still an open hole here.

I guess me personally, I am not really keen on starting the season with 1-3 rookies in position spots. I think they all (Merrill, Marsee, Pauley, and etc) better off playing the most of the 2024 season in the MiLs. So IMO we need to find someway to accommodate 4 more ML players on this roster with the monies that we have availalbe (not a lot by the way), so we will need to sacrifice some players to get this done.

Quote from fenn68 on January 8, 2024, 1:48 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on January 8, 2024, 1:04 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on January 8, 2024, 12:51 pm

 

A $9.2 million closer is actually cheap. I don't think the Padres want to trade Suarez just so Seattle can afford to get Kim in return for replacement players. Suarez is worth more than $9 million and worth more than DeSclafani, Marlowe and Rojas combined to the Padres.

Is Suarez actually the closer though? He only pitched a half of season last year, and RP are notorious for bouncing back and forth between good and bad.

So that was the idea of including Suarez, clearing money of someone that may or may not be a closer, may or may not be healthy himself, and has 3 more years at almost $10M per season.

But to each their own....

So why would Seattle want him and his contact?

I guess the other aspect … and I do think Suarez is no lock as a closer … who has a better chance of being the Padres closer? I see most of the scouting on Matsui and Go suggesting they may have been closers abroad but more middle / set-up in MLB. Given they both signed cheaply for a pitcher projected as a closer … other teams were aware of them … I would not rely on them being the closer in 2024 for the Padres.

Quote from BoosterSD on January 8, 2024, 1:55 pm

Quote from fenn68 on January 8, 2024, 1:48 pm

 

So why would Seattle want him and his contact?

I guess the other aspect … and I do think Suarez is no lock as a closer … who has a better chance of being the Padres closer?

Because SEA is looking for bull pen help not a closer. And actually they may be RHRP heavy and prefer a LHRP anyway, so they may not want him. But you never know how another team has their moves set up, and the acquisition of Suarez may lead to another move that SEA would want to make......?

And to be honest, we might not have a closer on this team. And IF we do, it may not known until the end of ST of who that might be.

Quote from JasonE135 on January 8, 2024, 2:29 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on January 8, 2024, 1:17 pm

Quote from fenn68 on January 8, 2024, 1:02 pm

Merrill’s ML readiness (and Machado’s elbow) may be the key to the Padres making a call dealing either Kim or Cronenworth now … that might change at the end of ST. Additionally, Padres need to see what they have in Vasquez, Brito, et al to determine how hard to push for adding a bottom of the rotation arm.

As it is, if Merrill is not ready and with Machado as the DH … taking Kim or Cronenworth out leaves an INF of Bogaerts and the one not traded with two “holes” at 3B and 1B to go with two “holes” in CF and LF. Seems sub-optimal.

This and the readiness of Marsee, Pauley, and a couple of others that are that borderline are really the key to this season's opening roster.

If so and so IS ready, then he takes care of position X. If so and so is NOT ready, then there is still an open hole here.

I guess me personally, I am not really keen on starting the season with 1-3 rookies in position spots. I think they all (Merrill, Marsee, Pauley, and etc) better off playing the most of the 2024 season in the MiLs. So IMO we need to find someway to accommodate 4 more ML players on this roster with the monies that we have availalbe (not a lot by the way), so we will need to sacrifice some players to get this done.

The Padres need a starting a LF, CF, DH and starting pitcher. There are maybe 1 or 2 quality free agents available to fill those spots, but those players will cost over $20 million per season each. The Padres have roughly $20 million to spend, $30 million if they trade Suarez. The Padres don't have the money to fill those positions.

For the Padres to compete in 2024, they will need several rookies and/or young players to break out.