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There seems to be a lot of chatter around Teoscar Hernandez and the Red Sox. There's some speculation that they could look to trade an OF for pitching if they land him. I still think the idea of a package built around Cronenworth for Yoshida would make sense. I think Wilyer Abreu could be very good on the strong side of a platoon in a corner. Duran would be the costliest option. I don't love Rafaela, but he could be in play too. Maybe we could look to use some of the pitching prospect depth to pick up an outfielder.

Doubt Cronenworth would draw must interest from BOS … they are pretty set in the middle INF and their top prospects are middle INF Plus he is a LHH and if anything BOS is way overloaded with LHH.

They are looking for the same thing the Padres are … pitching … so, likely not a match. More likely the can use an OF to get Bieber out of Cleveland who needs OF (hitting) help … cheaply.

Yoshida had a very good year hitting but it seems that he may be destined for DH … apparently his fielding is not all that impressive. Sort of debatable if he is worth the remaining 4 years / $18MM AAV on his deal (and a team would have to give a decent return to get him).

Abreu is likely the OF moved … LHH / good defense in RF … hitting may be the question going forward … just 25. Would appeal to the Padres at league minimum with 6 years control. Still, not sure what pitching the Padres are willing to offer (given their own needs) that would appeal to Boston’s current needs. Note he was 18th on the Boston Top 30 … so his hitting in the ML last season may just be a bit over achieving but given the Padres situation he would seem a good add depending on the pitching needed to get him.

They're far from set in the middle infield. Story will get a spot because of his contract, but he's been awful and has struggled to stay healthy since arriving in Boston. This is a team that had guys like Kike Hernandez, Christian Arroyo, Yu Chang, and Luis Urias get most of the playing time up the middle. Enmanuel Valdez might be their best option on the roster.

Marcelo Mayer fell way off once he got to AA. Rafaela and Nick Yorke are the only prospects that are close and they both have questions of their own.

I doubt the Red Sox will look to trade for a rental with where they stand in the division. They finished last behind 3 playoff teams and the Yankees who picked up Soto from us.

Yoshida's defense isn't great. I still think his bat would make him a better fit than keeping Cronenworth and playing either Bogaerts or him out of position. From the Red Sox standpoint they could bring back Justin Turner or add a different right handed bat into the DH mix. I think Cronenworth plus someone like Mazur would make sense for both sides.

I'm sure the Red Sox would prefer to trade for an established young starter. I'm just not sure that's really an option for them. The Mariners don't seem inclined to make a move and the Marlins depth doesn't look as strong as it once did. Who else is out there? We would at least be able to give them something that might be able to help in the second half and beyond in a deal for Yoshida or Abreu.

Yoshida's slugging dropped month by month last year as pitchers learned his tendencies. He had a 109 OPS+ last year. Next year will almost certainly be less. He is basically a league average bat with slugging under .400 and bad defense for $18 million per year. He is a Crone who plays outfield and costs twice as much. I don't see that happening.

Preller may trade for a first or second year player with cheap control for several years, maybe(my hope) a minor leaguer with promise ready to make his debut, but probably just sign someone like Profar for cheap as a temporary patch until Marsee or Zavala can take over in the future.

A Crone who plays outfield is a lot more valuable than the one we've got with this roster. Jake has only topped Yoshida's OPS for the season in 1 month over the last 2 years. Yoshida was great for 4 months and hit a wall late. I'll bet on the guy who was adjusting to a new league, country and longer season over the guy who has had a dramatic decline against the fastball.

Quote from lafnboy13 on December 29, 2023, 3:57 pm

Giolito to the BoSox for 2 years for 38.5m

Quote from Randy Manese on December 29, 2023, 4:18 pm

Another huge overpay.  Angels traded for him after he gave up 20 HRs in 21 starts for the White Sox and then he proceeded to get worse with LAA and then Cleveland.  Got paid 10M last year, so this is a big gamble by the Red Sox to pay him almost twice as much for declining stats pretty much across the board the last 2 years.   If the Red Sox can do this, then they can make a trade for Cronenworth if the Padres want to do that possible deal for Yoshida.

Quote from fenn68 on December 29, 2023, 5:13 pm

Rosario - Anderson - Merrifield -  Segura are all RHH 2B options on the FA market that would be lower AAV on a shorter 1-2 year deal … given the 2023 Cronenworth performance probably not materially different.

RHH, no longer term commitment, and if still wanting to trade an OF can target pitching at a lower (shorter) commitment than Croney.

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Quote from Randy Manese on December 29, 2023, 4:18 pm

Another huge overpay.  Angels traded for him after he gave up 20 HRs in 21 starts for the White Sox and then he proceeded to get worse with LAA and then Cleveland.  Got paid 10M last year, so this is a big gamble by the Red Sox to pay him almost twice as much for declining stats pretty much across the board the last 2 years.   If the Red Sox can do this, then they can make a trade for Cronenworth if the Padres want to do that possible deal for Yoshida.

If that is the price for a gamble on Giolito … might signal where the price is going for the clearly better SP and should all suggest that the next tier down SP will be getting more than the Padres are willing to pay.

Trade for someone seems a strong possibility but the prospects that the Padres will have to give up are probably a strong mix that most were thinking.

Quote from JasonE135 on December 29, 2023, 6:09 pm

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Quote from Randy Manese on December 29, 2023, 4:18 pm

Another huge overpay.  Angels traded for him after he gave up 20 HRs in 21 starts for the White Sox and then he proceeded to get worse with LAA and then Cleveland.  Got paid 10M last year, so this is a big gamble by the Red Sox to pay him almost twice as much for declining stats pretty much across the board the last 2 years.   If the Red Sox can do this, then they can make a trade for Cronenworth if the Padres want to do that possible deal for Yoshida.

If that is the price for a gamble on Giolito … might signal where the price is going for the clearly better SP and should all suggest that the next tier down SP will be getting more than the Padres are willing to pay.

Trade for someone seems a strong possibility but the prospects that the Padres will have to give up are probably a strong mix that most were thinking.

With how expensive pitching is getting, perhaps we should not trade our next generation of starters. Pitching is becoming extremely expensive in both the free agent and trade markets.

I have seen several trade suggestions using Mazur or Iriarte. Either could easily turn out to be our next gen #3 starter, which would be worth $20 million per year or more on the open market.

Quote from fenn68 on December 29, 2023, 8:40 pm

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Quote from Randy Manese on December 29, 2023, 4:18 pm

Another huge overpay.  Angels traded for him after he gave up 20 HRs in 21 starts for the White Sox and then he proceeded to get worse with LAA and then Cleveland.  Got paid 10M last year, so this is a big gamble by the Red Sox to pay him almost twice as much for declining stats pretty much across the board the last 2 years.   If the Red Sox can do this, then they can make a trade for Cronenworth if the Padres want to do that possible deal for Yoshida.

If that is the price for a gamble on Giolito … might signal where the price is going for the clearly better SP and should all suggest that the next tier down SP will be getting more than the Padres are willing to pay.

Trade for someone seems a strong possibility but the prospects that the Padres will have to give up are probably a strong mix that most were thinking.

With how expensive pitching is getting, perhaps we should not trade our next generation of starters. Pitching is becoming extremely expensive in both the free agent and trade markets.

I have seen several trade suggestions using Mazur or Iriarte. Either could easily turn out to be our next gen #3 starter, which would be worth $20 million per year or more on the open market.

Would add that even though a good number of SP prospects … all are barely in AA and the reality is not all will make it … just don’t know who will and who will not.

If the longer term value play (under a controlled payroll) may be hold on the prospects and just try to scramble on short term fills … relying a lot on the core (expensive core) that is in place.

Quote from Randy Manese on December 29, 2023, 10:45 pm

It has been mentioned that we should pack up Bogaerts and trade him back to Boston.  Let's say Bogaerts waives his no trade clause and agrees to go back to Boston - what could we get in the short/longer run to help the team?   I'm never good at making up trades but here's a wild one on a Friday before New Years.  What if we trade Bogaerts, either Brito or Vazquez and Martorella to Boston for LHP Chris Sale and 1b Triston Casas?  Sale finished 2023 healthy and has one more year plus a vesting year with pretty much unattainable goals to make that take affect (top 10 in Cy Young voting, not on IL, etc.) - he would immediately fill out the #3 spot in the rotation and most expert opinions I've seen say he can get to at least Wacha-like innings pitched (130+).  Casas, a LH bat, becomes our 1b and allows us to use Kim at ss and Cronenworth at 2b.  The 25M that becomes available after the expected free agency of Sale could be used to extend Kim (if that's our choice) or give us an additional 25M to seek whatever we need to fill out the 2025 roster assuming Merrill is close to being ready.  If somehow Sale attains his vesting goals for 2025, then he's had an incredible year and we probably could not find another pitcher for 20M in 2025 (especially if Giolito got 19.25M a year for 2 years!) of that quality before he hits free agency after that season.

Have fun with it guys!  Just trying to kill some time until we sign Leodalis de Vries on 15 January or the next Preller trade/acquisition that doesn't involve our top 7 prospects!

 

 

 

Quote from WindsorUK on December 30, 2023, 4:01 am

Quote from JasonE135 on December 29, 2023, 6:09 pm

Quote from fenn68 on December 29, 2023, 5:19 pm

Quote from Randy Manese on December 29, 2023, 4:18 pm

Another huge overpay.  Angels traded for him after he gave up 20 HRs in 21 starts for the White Sox and then he proceeded to get worse with LAA and then Cleveland.  Got paid 10M last year, so this is a big gamble by the Red Sox to pay him almost twice as much for declining stats pretty much across the board the last 2 years.   If the Red Sox can do this, then they can make a trade for Cronenworth if the Padres want to do that possible deal for Yoshida.

If that is the price for a gamble on Giolito … might signal where the price is going for the clearly better SP and should all suggest that the next tier down SP will be getting more than the Padres are willing to pay.

Trade for someone seems a strong possibility but the prospects that the Padres will have to give up are probably a strong mix that most were thinking.

With how expensive pitching is getting, perhaps we should not trade our next generation of starters. Pitching is becoming extremely expensive in both the free agent and trade markets.

I have seen several trade suggestions using Mazur or Iriarte. Either could easily turn out to be our next gen #3 starter, which would be worth $20 million per year or more on the open market.

I'm with you Jason!

For once, let's keep some of our young guys and see if they can actually play!

Save us time and money.