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#1071 · December 20, 2023, 5:25 pm
Quote from MrPadre19 on December 20, 2023, 4:52 pmQuote from BoosterSD on December 20, 2023, 1:07 pmLooks as if MIL is trading a SP along with an OFer to NYM.
Does that mean MIL is tearing down, or that now are less willing to trade a remaining SP, ala Burnes?
What the?
Houser and Taylor to the Mets for the Mets 25th ranked prospect who just had TJ?
Drafted by the Angels in the 22nd round?
I know Houser is a rental…but that’s like SD giving up Stephen Kolek for a solid #3 SP and 3 years of a power hitting LH 4th outfielder…..Taylor wasn’t good last year but he’s been decent in the past and I’ve always thought he would be a starter at some point.
I guess I’m shocked cause we could really use Houser and Taylor and it looks like it would have cost very little in prospect capital.Guess AJ doesn’t want any 1 year rentals at this point.
Not sure that Houser at about $5.5MM is that much an improvement over the potential arms on the roster … projected as a mid-4 ERA. Preller may be wanting to target a more mid to upper rotation type (even if more than $5.5MM).
Think Taylor is a RHH and with only Cronenworth as the LHH on the roster … may be prioritizing a LHH. Basically somewhere around a below average 90 wRC+ guy.
I am fine with not adding those two … but maybe that signals they do not plan to deal Burnes or maybe that signals they want to drop payroll and plan to deal Burnes. ?????????????
#1072 · December 21, 2023, 8:28 am
Sort of thinking around the fringe of the roster here but:
With the trading of Kerr (LHRP) the Padres really only have Cosgrove and Morejon as lefties in the pen ... assuming the Matsui deal is finalized ... adding a 3rd lefty for the pen ... might that allow the Padres to option Morejon to AAA? Depending on ST ... is Morejon as a LHRP better on the 26 man vs whomever is other 13th pitching candidate?
Many have punted on Morejon but no roster problem ... he is only going to make a tick above league minimum ... surprisingly he still has three control years (this would be his last option year). His career has be beset with injuries but the upside remains (maybe as a RP) so without any near term LHRP options beyond Matsui and Cosgrove ... Padres would benefit from him in AAA on a conversion to the pen (may help him stay healthy). Have retain some concern that one of Cosgrove or Matsui will get injured over the course of a 162 game season and might want another LHRP in the mix.
#1073 · December 21, 2023, 11:11 am
Quote from fenn68 on December 21, 2023, 8:28 amSort of thinking around the fringe of the roster here but:
With the trading of Kerr (LHRP) the Padres really only have Cosgrove and Morejon as lefties in the pen ... assuming the Matsui deal is finalized ... adding a 3rd lefty for the pen ... might that allow the Padres to option Morejon to AAA? Depending on ST ... is Morejon as a LHRP better on the 26 man vs whomever is other 13th pitching candidate?
Many have punted on Morejon but no roster problem ... he is only going to make a tick above league minimum ... surprisingly he still has three control years (this would be his last option year). His career has be beset with injuries but the upside remains (maybe as a RP) so without any near term LHRP options beyond Matsui and Cosgrove ... Padres would benefit from him in AAA on a conversion to the pen (may help him stay healthy). Have retain some concern that one of Cosgrove or Matsui will get injured over the course of a 162 game season and might want another LHRP in the mix.
I feel like anything we get out of Morejon is a bonus at this point. You can't count on him at all. Not sure what you mean by conversion to the pen. He's been a reliever for the better part of 4 years now. He's cheap and can still be optioned this year which should be enough to keep him around. It's a make or break year for him. His injury history suggests break is the likelier outcome.
#1074 · December 21, 2023, 11:30 am
Quote from Jeremy Hill on December 21, 2023, 11:11 amQuote from fenn68 on December 21, 2023, 8:28 amSort of thinking around the fringe of the roster here but:
With the trading of Kerr (LHRP) the Padres really only have Cosgrove and Morejon as lefties in the pen ... assuming the Matsui deal is finalized ... adding a 3rd lefty for the pen ... might that allow the Padres to option Morejon to AAA? Depending on ST ... is Morejon as a LHRP better on the 26 man vs whomever is other 13th pitching candidate?
Many have punted on Morejon but no roster problem ... he is only going to make a tick above league minimum ... surprisingly he still has three control years (this would be his last option year). His career has be beset with injuries but the upside remains (maybe as a RP) so without any near term LHRP options beyond Matsui and Cosgrove ... Padres would benefit from him in AAA on a conversion to the pen (may help him stay healthy). Have retain some concern that one of Cosgrove or Matsui will get injured over the course of a 162 game season and might want another LHRP in the mix.
I feel like anything we get out of Morejon is a bonus at this point. You can't count on him at all. Not sure what you mean by conversion to the pen. He's been a reliever for the better part of 4 years now. He's cheap and can still be optioned this year which should be enough to keep him around. It's a make or break year for him. His injury history suggests break is the likelier outcome.
Padres have been using him in the pen basically because of injury / rehab but their plan was still to have him get healthy and be a starter. Just suggesting they just abandon that fruitless exercise and just develop him as a RP (probably is a different different approach with his pitch selection and how he gets ready for games).
#1075 · December 21, 2023, 12:36 pm
Quote from fenn68 on December 21, 2023, 11:30 amQuote from Jeremy Hill on December 21, 2023, 11:11 amQuote from fenn68 on December 21, 2023, 8:28 amSort of thinking around the fringe of the roster here but:
With the trading of Kerr (LHRP) the Padres really only have Cosgrove and Morejon as lefties in the pen ... assuming the Matsui deal is finalized ... adding a 3rd lefty for the pen ... might that allow the Padres to option Morejon to AAA? Depending on ST ... is Morejon as a LHRP better on the 26 man vs whomever is other 13th pitching candidate?
Many have punted on Morejon but no roster problem ... he is only going to make a tick above league minimum ... surprisingly he still has three control years (this would be his last option year). His career has be beset with injuries but the upside remains (maybe as a RP) so without any near term LHRP options beyond Matsui and Cosgrove ... Padres would benefit from him in AAA on a conversion to the pen (may help him stay healthy). Have retain some concern that one of Cosgrove or Matsui will get injured over the course of a 162 game season and might want another LHRP in the mix.
I feel like anything we get out of Morejon is a bonus at this point. You can't count on him at all. Not sure what you mean by conversion to the pen. He's been a reliever for the better part of 4 years now. He's cheap and can still be optioned this year which should be enough to keep him around. It's a make or break year for him. His injury history suggests break is the likelier outcome.
Padres have been using him in the pen basically because of injury / rehab but their plan was still to have him get healthy and be a starter. Just suggesting they just abandon that fruitless exercise and just develop him as a RP (probably is a different different approach with his pitch selection and how he gets ready for games).
I'm sure the Padres coaching staff have their own knowledge of Morejon and what they think he can handle. I think right now that there are 2 open spots in the rotation and 3-5 in the bullpen will probably up for grabs. The coaches will decide what he works as this spring.
I am seeing something of an open competition. If Morejon is one of the best 5-6 starting pitchers, it's possible than he will be a starter. Far more likely is him being one of the 8 best arms in the bullpen in spring training. If he is, he will start the year in the bullpen.
#1076 · December 21, 2023, 1:06 pm
Quote from JasonE135 on December 21, 2023, 12:36 pmQuote from fenn68 on December 21, 2023, 11:30 amQuote from Jeremy Hill on December 21, 2023, 11:11 amQuote from fenn68 on December 21, 2023, 8:28 amSort of thinking around the fringe of the roster here but:
With the trading of Kerr (LHRP) the Padres really only have Cosgrove and Morejon as lefties in the pen ... assuming the Matsui deal is finalized ... adding a 3rd lefty for the pen ... might that allow the Padres to option Morejon to AAA? Depending on ST ... is Morejon as a LHRP better on the 26 man vs whomever is other 13th pitching candidate?
Many have punted on Morejon but no roster problem ... he is only going to make a tick above league minimum ... surprisingly he still has three control years (this would be his last option year). His career has be beset with injuries but the upside remains (maybe as a RP) so without any near term LHRP options beyond Matsui and Cosgrove ... Padres would benefit from him in AAA on a conversion to the pen (may help him stay healthy). Have retain some concern that one of Cosgrove or Matsui will get injured over the course of a 162 game season and might want another LHRP in the mix.
I feel like anything we get out of Morejon is a bonus at this point. You can't count on him at all. Not sure what you mean by conversion to the pen. He's been a reliever for the better part of 4 years now. He's cheap and can still be optioned this year which should be enough to keep him around. It's a make or break year for him. His injury history suggests break is the likelier outcome.
Padres have been using him in the pen basically because of injury / rehab but their plan was still to have him get healthy and be a starter. Just suggesting they just abandon that fruitless exercise and just develop him as a RP (probably is a different different approach with his pitch selection and how he gets ready for games).
I'm sure the Padres coaching staff have their own knowledge of Morejon and what they think he can handle. I think right now that there are 2 open spots in the rotation and 3-5 in the bullpen will probably up for grabs. The coaches will decide what he works as this spring.
I am seeing something of an open competition. If Morejon is one of the best 5-6 starting pitchers, it's possible than he will be a starter. Far more likely is him being one of the 8 best arms in the bullpen in spring training. If he is, he will start the year in the bullpen.
Well that settles it, no point in discussing it anymore!
#1077 · December 21, 2023, 1:15 pm
Quote from Notmyopic on December 21, 2023, 1:06 pmQuote from JasonE135 on December 21, 2023, 12:36 pmQuote from fenn68 on December 21, 2023, 11:30 amQuote from Jeremy Hill on December 21, 2023, 11:11 amQuote from fenn68 on December 21, 2023, 8:28 amSort of thinking around the fringe of the roster here but:
With the trading of Kerr (LHRP) the Padres really only have Cosgrove and Morejon as lefties in the pen ... assuming the Matsui deal is finalized ... adding a 3rd lefty for the pen ... might that allow the Padres to option Morejon to AAA? Depending on ST ... is Morejon as a LHRP better on the 26 man vs whomever is other 13th pitching candidate?
Many have punted on Morejon but no roster problem ... he is only going to make a tick above league minimum ... surprisingly he still has three control years (this would be his last option year). His career has be beset with injuries but the upside remains (maybe as a RP) so without any near term LHRP options beyond Matsui and Cosgrove ... Padres would benefit from him in AAA on a conversion to the pen (may help him stay healthy). Have retain some concern that one of Cosgrove or Matsui will get injured over the course of a 162 game season and might want another LHRP in the mix.
I feel like anything we get out of Morejon is a bonus at this point. You can't count on him at all. Not sure what you mean by conversion to the pen. He's been a reliever for the better part of 4 years now. He's cheap and can still be optioned this year which should be enough to keep him around. It's a make or break year for him. His injury history suggests break is the likelier outcome.
Padres have been using him in the pen basically because of injury / rehab but their plan was still to have him get healthy and be a starter. Just suggesting they just abandon that fruitless exercise and just develop him as a RP (probably is a different different approach with his pitch selection and how he gets ready for games).
I'm sure the Padres coaching staff have their own knowledge of Morejon and what they think he can handle. I think right now that there are 2 open spots in the rotation and 3-5 in the bullpen will probably up for grabs. The coaches will decide what he works as this spring.
I am seeing something of an open competition. If Morejon is one of the best 5-6 starting pitchers, it's possible than he will be a starter. Far more likely is him being one of the 8 best arms in the bullpen in spring training. If he is, he will start the year in the bullpen.
Well that settles it, no point in discussing it anymore!
I gave my opinion, you can give yours yours.
#1078 · December 21, 2023, 1:27 pm
Quote from JasonE135 on December 21, 2023, 1:15 pmQuote from Notmyopic on December 21, 2023, 1:06 pmQuote from JasonE135 on December 21, 2023, 12:36 pmQuote from fenn68 on December 21, 2023, 11:30 amQuote from Jeremy Hill on December 21, 2023, 11:11 amQuote from fenn68 on December 21, 2023, 8:28 amSort of thinking around the fringe of the roster here but:
With the trading of Kerr (LHRP) the Padres really only have Cosgrove and Morejon as lefties in the pen ... assuming the Matsui deal is finalized ... adding a 3rd lefty for the pen ... might that allow the Padres to option Morejon to AAA? Depending on ST ... is Morejon as a LHRP better on the 26 man vs whomever is other 13th pitching candidate?
Many have punted on Morejon but no roster problem ... he is only going to make a tick above league minimum ... surprisingly he still has three control years (this would be his last option year). His career has be beset with injuries but the upside remains (maybe as a RP) so without any near term LHRP options beyond Matsui and Cosgrove ... Padres would benefit from him in AAA on a conversion to the pen (may help him stay healthy). Have retain some concern that one of Cosgrove or Matsui will get injured over the course of a 162 game season and might want another LHRP in the mix.
I feel like anything we get out of Morejon is a bonus at this point. You can't count on him at all. Not sure what you mean by conversion to the pen. He's been a reliever for the better part of 4 years now. He's cheap and can still be optioned this year which should be enough to keep him around. It's a make or break year for him. His injury history suggests break is the likelier outcome.
Padres have been using him in the pen basically because of injury / rehab but their plan was still to have him get healthy and be a starter. Just suggesting they just abandon that fruitless exercise and just develop him as a RP (probably is a different different approach with his pitch selection and how he gets ready for games).
I'm sure the Padres coaching staff have their own knowledge of Morejon and what they think he can handle. I think right now that there are 2 open spots in the rotation and 3-5 in the bullpen will probably up for grabs. The coaches will decide what he works as this spring.
I am seeing something of an open competition. If Morejon is one of the best 5-6 starting pitchers, it's possible than he will be a starter. Far more likely is him being one of the 8 best arms in the bullpen in spring training. If he is, he will start the year in the bullpen.
Well that settles it, no point in discussing it anymore!
I gave my opinion, you can give yours yours.
Your opinion was well, the staff knows best and wherever he fits he will be. Couldn’t we say that basically about everyone? Doesn’t that kill offseason discourse and speculation?
#1079 · December 21, 2023, 3:30 pm
Quote from Notmyopic on December 21, 2023, 1:27 pmQuote from JasonE135 on December 21, 2023, 1:15 pmQuote from Notmyopic on December 21, 2023, 1:06 pmQuote from JasonE135 on December 21, 2023, 12:36 pmQuote from fenn68 on December 21, 2023, 11:30 amQuote from Jeremy Hill on December 21, 2023, 11:11 amQuote from fenn68 on December 21, 2023, 8:28 amSort of thinking around the fringe of the roster here but:
With the trading of Kerr (LHRP) the Padres really only have Cosgrove and Morejon as lefties in the pen ... assuming the Matsui deal is finalized ... adding a 3rd lefty for the pen ... might that allow the Padres to option Morejon to AAA? Depending on ST ... is Morejon as a LHRP better on the 26 man vs whomever is other 13th pitching candidate?
Many have punted on Morejon but no roster problem ... he is only going to make a tick above league minimum ... surprisingly he still has three control years (this would be his last option year). His career has be beset with injuries but the upside remains (maybe as a RP) so without any near term LHRP options beyond Matsui and Cosgrove ... Padres would benefit from him in AAA on a conversion to the pen (may help him stay healthy). Have retain some concern that one of Cosgrove or Matsui will get injured over the course of a 162 game season and might want another LHRP in the mix.
I feel like anything we get out of Morejon is a bonus at this point. You can't count on him at all. Not sure what you mean by conversion to the pen. He's been a reliever for the better part of 4 years now. He's cheap and can still be optioned this year which should be enough to keep him around. It's a make or break year for him. His injury history suggests break is the likelier outcome.
Padres have been using him in the pen basically because of injury / rehab but their plan was still to have him get healthy and be a starter. Just suggesting they just abandon that fruitless exercise and just develop him as a RP (probably is a different different approach with his pitch selection and how he gets ready for games).
I'm sure the Padres coaching staff have their own knowledge of Morejon and what they think he can handle. I think right now that there are 2 open spots in the rotation and 3-5 in the bullpen will probably up for grabs. The coaches will decide what he works as this spring.
I am seeing something of an open competition. If Morejon is one of the best 5-6 starting pitchers, it's possible than he will be a starter. Far more likely is him being one of the 8 best arms in the bullpen in spring training. If he is, he will start the year in the bullpen.
Well that settles it, no point in discussing it anymore!
I gave my opinion, you can give yours yours.
Your opinion was well, the staff knows best and wherever he fits he will be. Couldn’t we say that basically about everyone? Doesn’t that kill offseason discourse and speculation?
"Far more likely is him being one of the 8 best arms in the bullpen " I think he will end up in the the bullpen. I added the "coaches decision" qualifier to avoid offending anyone. Look like that didn't work.
#1080 · December 21, 2023, 4:45 pm
Quote from JasonE135 on December 21, 2023, 12:36 pmQuote from fenn68 on December 21, 2023, 11:30 amQuote from Jeremy Hill on December 21, 2023, 11:11 amQuote from fenn68 on December 21, 2023, 8:28 amSort of thinking around the fringe of the roster here but:
With the trading of Kerr (LHRP) the Padres really only have Cosgrove and Morejon as lefties in the pen ... assuming the Matsui deal is finalized ... adding a 3rd lefty for the pen ... might that allow the Padres to option Morejon to AAA? Depending on ST ... is Morejon as a LHRP better on the 26 man vs whomever is other 13th pitching candidate?
Many have punted on Morejon but no roster problem ... he is only going to make a tick above league minimum ... surprisingly he still has three control years (this would be his last option year). His career has be beset with injuries but the upside remains (maybe as a RP) so without any near term LHRP options beyond Matsui and Cosgrove ... Padres would benefit from him in AAA on a conversion to the pen (may help him stay healthy). Have retain some concern that one of Cosgrove or Matsui will get injured over the course of a 162 game season and might want another LHRP in the mix.
I feel like anything we get out of Morejon is a bonus at this point. You can't count on him at all. Not sure what you mean by conversion to the pen. He's been a reliever for the better part of 4 years now. He's cheap and can still be optioned this year which should be enough to keep him around. It's a make or break year for him. His injury history suggests break is the likelier outcome.
Padres have been using him in the pen basically because of injury / rehab but their plan was still to have him get healthy and be a starter. Just suggesting they just abandon that fruitless exercise and just develop him as a RP (probably is a different different approach with his pitch selection and how he gets ready for games).
I'm sure the Padres coaching staff have their own knowledge of Morejon and what they think he can handle. I think right now that there are 2 open spots in the rotation and 3-5 in the bullpen will probably up for grabs. The coaches will decide what he works as this spring.
I am seeing something of an open competition. If Morejon is one of the best 5-6 starting pitchers, it's possible than he will be a starter. Far more likely is him being one of the 8 best arms in the bullpen in spring training. If he is, he will start the year in the bullpen.
I’m just curious who you have for solidified bullpen spots and how we have 3 spots up for grabs. Breakdown is most likely 9 starters 5 starting rotation members (although could be 6 if guys in rotation have innings limits). Then 5 bench options and 7 bullpen options (6 if 6 in the rotation). That gets us to the 26 man roster. I actually think we only have 1 or 2 spots on the bullpen up for grabs.
Matsui
Suarez
De Los Santos
Cosgrove
Wilson
Then 1-2 spots with a lot of people fighting to make the team.
Kolek (Rule 5 guy who will be given every opportunity)
Morejon
Gillaspie
Otto
Estrada
Reynolds
Jacob
Capps
Brito
Vazquez
Groome
Iriarte
I didn’t include Avila or Waldron because I think Avila will be in the rotation and Waldron just won’t have a shot at a bullpen spot (unless they want him as a long reliever/swing man)
A lot of options for really not that many spots so might be some healthy spring training competition