Quote from Mike Turner on December 9, 2019, 5:02 pm

Interesting development with the Pham trade.  Looks like Preller's digging a little deeper into the medicals of Pham and says yet to be finalized.  Looks like it will still go through but maybe some of the insurances in the contract change a bit.  Was really thinking things would domino today when Stras went so quick.  Definitely shaping up to be a much different off season than years previous.

Quote from Mike Turner on December 9, 2019, 5:04 pm

Quote from fenn68 on December 9, 2019, 2:03 pm

I a way the Padres should (could) benefit from Strasburg's signing.

1. did not sign with a NL West team ... don't have to face him a lot ... more wins
2. a rising tide raises all boats .... the contracts for all the FA pitchers should now be higher ... that just makes low cost (but still good) arms even more valuable via trade ... Padres have a quite a few good to better arms at the ML level and on the come .... trade value of the Padre assets just went up.

Plus having a potential really low cost cadre of quality arms within a year or two (Paddack, Gore, Patino, Lamet, plus) frees up money to work the offense and frees up the next level down for trades ... and given the elevated value ... the Quantrill, Morejon, Bolanos, et al should get better than expected returns.

This is really shaping up to the point where it seems to make sense to lock some of the 'sure thing' arms up when they are young.  Even if you lock up three and only one is really successful it still looks like you'd save money.  That is just crazy money for a 31 year old pitcher.  This will surely blow up in the Nationals face... Strasburg has only put up ace numbers during one season as far as i'm concerned.

Quote from Brian Connelly on December 9, 2019, 6:22 pm

Quote from fenn68 on December 9, 2019, 2:03 pm

I a way the Padres should (could) benefit from Strasburg's signing.

1. did not sign with a NL West team ... don't have to face him a lot ... more wins
2. a rising tide raises all boats .... the contracts for all the FA pitchers should now be higher ... that just makes low cost (but still good) arms even more valuable via trade ... Padres have a quite a few good to better arms at the ML level and on the come .... trade value of the Padre assets just went up.

Plus having a potential really low cost cadre of quality arms within a year or two (Paddack, Gore, Patino, Lamet, plus) frees up money to work the offense and frees up the next level down for trades ... and given the elevated value ... the Quantrill, Morejon, Bolanos, et al should get better than expected returns.

I agree... but boy would I HOLD not SELL SP prospects...   Trading 2 MLB / ready SP + ? for only 3 years of more expensive Contreras who as you point out "is" Mejia, is NOT the way to go when the value of SP is skyrocketing...

Your point is correct, but Pads need to be REALLY careful here about spending SP on the right asset/s in Trade...

Quote from JasonE135 on December 9, 2019, 7:16 pm

Maybe instead of trading our young pitchers we should be signing Gore, Paddack and Tatis to 10-year, $100 million contracts RIGHT NOW. If they say no, go ahead and trade them.

Quote from fenn68 on December 9, 2019, 8:24 pm

Wouldn’t trade the elite players even if they will not extend ... their “surplus value” over the next 5-6 years is immense and more than likely their production cannot be replaced via trade if the Padres want to win during those years.

”elite” talent is not that replaceable ... so just milk it as long as you can. Yes, try for an extension by luring them with security in their control years. Even if you hit at the 50% level .. still may be a cost savings from what the FA years on the one success would be.

However, not all prospects are “elite” and at some point ... if things go well ... the Padres are positioned to get a very good return for good “surplus”. When is always the question. Leads me to not throw in any potential elite arms in a deal to short turn upgrade. However, the next level (maybe viewed as having a 4-5 level ceiling) should be the players in play ... and given the need for SP ... that should be in demand.

Padres may be in a pretty good negotiation position over the next few year with all their arm coming near term.

Quote from 3fingersplit on December 9, 2019, 8:31 pm

LMAO.....I said DON"T trade your young starting pitching over a month ago.....some of you guys want to trade away everybody for broken down marginal players and this Pham trade....If he is SO good....how come he keeps getting traded ?

Just got back from Georgia....they are laughing at the Padres for the Pham trade to SD

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 10, 2019, 3:20 am

I’m in Georgia......I’m not laughing.

Unless Phams elbow is truly an issue it’s a good trade.

And you know how I feel about Edwards.

 

Quote from onlypads on December 10, 2019, 4:38 am

Following the Pham trade, I continue to advocate for a passive posture so the market may ripen. With Madbum (initially projected at 72 now maybe over 100+), wheeler 100+, and Stras coming in higher the market is quickly thinning and expensive. Cheap, controllable pitching should be worth more to teams. The current FA SPs come with a lot of risk given the current market and in most cases some indicators of regression.

(Responding to winter meeting chatter about Myers up for trade again; same idea as before, we eat half and give specs)

At this time, I am not sure I unload our pitching assets only to save money by unloading Myers. Such a move could result in losing controllable pitching with upside for in a best case scenario a Ryu or Madbum acquisition (expensive, long contract)? As some have mentioned, I think standing by is possibly the best move, or a trade -- where a corresponding acquisition is guaranteed. If a trade, I would only consider a gold piece at this point. Something like positional player or SP on a friendly deal who is a premium player (Whit or Gray something like that).

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 10, 2019, 5:44 am

My preference would be to add prospects to a deal with Myers to get a Haniger/Marte/Benintendi type everyday OF'er.

If we eat half the money and attach a couple/few good prospects maybe we can get a taker.

It's not like it's impossible a change of scenery wouldn't revive Myers to another 20/20 season.

Maybe even Myers/Quantrill/Bolanos/Olivares type deal.

That's a #4 Starter a, starting lf/1b(bounceback candidate)  and two decent prospects.

May have to sweeten the prospects depending on the return and money sent with Myers?

Or add better prospects further away depending on other teams window.

Sox would want closer to majors others maybe further away(but better?)