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Quote from fenn68 on February 13, 2020, 10:34 am

Probably packaging Guerra with Naylor would appeal to some team ... no idea on the return since doubt Naylor has that much trade value and Guerra is just an upside gamble who other teams know is out of options.

I would probably push for a Comp Pick and/or international bonus monies. Maybe they selected someone in the 2019 draft that might work for the Padres and far enough away that the Tigers could be flexible.

As for Daz Cameron ... how is he different than Gettys .... both in AAA and can’t hit. Note that I have a bias against potential 5 tool talent IF they can only hit ... almost never do.

Cameron has MLB DNA... also he hit .285/.367/.470 .837 OPS in AA in 2018... Gettys has never hit close to that at any level..

Quote from Brian Connelly on February 13, 2020, 11:24 am
Quote from fenn68 on February 13, 2020, 10:47 am
Quote from Brian Connelly on February 13, 2020, 8:51 am
Quote from fenn68 on February 12, 2020, 8:34 pm

Can’t quite figure this move out but the Padres claimed off waivers Breyvic Valera, 28 year old / switch hitting / utility INF - OF, with a number of “look sees” by a lot of teams over the past .. out of minor league options. Espinosa to the 60 day IL.

I just don’t see much value in him over the ML/AAA options they already have but they were willing to pay the waiver price. He clearly is the first DFA when they need to add a non-roster player ... and I guess should be an easy one to clear waivers if they care.

Is there some advantage to the Padres for putting Espinosa on the 60 day now (just as ST opens) and they would have claimed anyone to setup the move ... 40 has to be full to do so?

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Side on Espinosa ... being on the 60 day IL will accrue him ML service time (and ML pay) but if he remains on the 60 day IL the full season (considering his rehab) ... Padres do preserve a minor league option year which may be more valuable long term as he needs more minor league time.

I like the pickup.  Especially before ST even starts.  SH 2B but true utility guy with >800 IP in field at:  SS, 3B, LF, RF in addition to 2B.  Career AAA >1500 AB...   .302 / .374 / .422  in line with career Minors Avg (Slug about 10% higher).   No power, a little speed (but terrible efficiency in SB).  Main thing is:  He's a versatile guy who gets on base.

Legit competition with his versatility for the last INF bench spot with France & Cronenworth.  Trading Margot made a glaring 2nd hole IMO vs LHP, because Hosmer has been such a liability the last 2 yrs vs LHP.   Moving Myers to 1B vs LHP is irrelevant; the issue is:  who takes his place in the lineup!   Now there are 2 "holes" to fill vs LHP with very few options.  France is probably the best one, but by trade is really "only" a 3B/1B.  Cronenworth is LH.  Velara could potentially play 2B vs LHP & allow "given" Profar to slide over to 1B, but is also the only guy of the 3 who could get spot time in the OF.  I'd put him > Gordon Beckham.

He joins Guerra as an out of options even "longer" shot, but think he'll be near the top in AB in ST so Pads can see what they have.  These guys either help 26-man O.D. or create roster spots for other depth claims end of ST if they don't make the team & have to go through waivers.

Espinoza to IL-60 before O.D. was inevitable, so timing didn't matter much.  Better to have 100% of ST to evaluate a potential "last guy on the roster".

Not sure your view of Valeria matches mine. In the past 3 years he has been put on waivers by 5 teams and is now 28. He seems like a AAA player good enough for fill on a call-up basis but not good enough to warrant a 26 man roster slot for the season ... hence the on-going DFA scenario.

If he beats out Cronenworth or France ... should say more about them being over rated than Valera’s talent.

Well, last guy on the roster comes down to team needs/holes & "fit".  For example, if Hosmer not a glaring weakness vs LHP & was in line to make 158 starts, hard to justify having a 3B/1B only guy like France on O.D. roster.  It's his ability to plug that specific hole that gives France the leg up.   In other words, put these 3 guys on 30 different teams and different guys would make each team.  Cronenworth wouldn't be "30 for 30" b/c he's a "better prospect".... Tatis would!

Myers fills the RH 1b role.

That leaves basically 3b only for France.

If Cronenworth can handle 3b and 2b...... along with SS that gives "him" the leg up.

France is gonna have to tear the cover off the ball to make the OD roster unless AJ just wants Cronenworth in AAA.

 

France is another interesting issue ... when Myers is playing France is the only RHH PH option. So should have a leg up and be the first option to be the RHH hitting alternative at 1B ... need Myers in RF since if they put him at first only LHH for RF and CF.

Grisham, Cordero, Naylor, Cronenworth, Garcia all LHH maybe better LHH options than Hosmer ... maybe not. Hedges or Mejia in RF?

Quote from fenn68 on February 13, 2020, 1:25 pm

France is another interesting issue ... when Myers is playing France is the only RHH PH option. So should have a leg up and be the first option to be the RHH hitting alternative at 1B ... need Myers in RF since if they put him at first only LHH for RF and CF.

Grisham, Cordero, Naylor, Cronenworth, Garcia all LHH maybe better LHH options than Hosmer ... maybe not. Hedges or Mejia in RF?

Hedges can pinch hit late with the game on the line!

🙂

Quote from MrPadre19 on February 13, 2020, 1:14 pm
Quote from Brian Connelly on February 13, 2020, 11:24 am
Quote from fenn68 on February 13, 2020, 10:47 am
Quote from Brian Connelly on February 13, 2020, 8:51 am
Quote from fenn68 on February 12, 2020, 8:34 pm

Can’t quite figure this move out but the Padres claimed off waivers Breyvic Valera, 28 year old / switch hitting / utility INF - OF, with a number of “look sees” by a lot of teams over the past .. out of minor league options. Espinosa to the 60 day IL.

I just don’t see much value in him over the ML/AAA options they already have but they were willing to pay the waiver price. He clearly is the first DFA when they need to add a non-roster player ... and I guess should be an easy one to clear waivers if they care.

Is there some advantage to the Padres for putting Espinosa on the 60 day now (just as ST opens) and they would have claimed anyone to setup the move ... 40 has to be full to do so?

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Side on Espinosa ... being on the 60 day IL will accrue him ML service time (and ML pay) but if he remains on the 60 day IL the full season (considering his rehab) ... Padres do preserve a minor league option year which may be more valuable long term as he needs more minor league time.

I like the pickup.  Especially before ST even starts.  SH 2B but true utility guy with >800 IP in field at:  SS, 3B, LF, RF in addition to 2B.  Career AAA >1500 AB...   .302 / .374 / .422  in line with career Minors Avg (Slug about 10% higher).   No power, a little speed (but terrible efficiency in SB).  Main thing is:  He's a versatile guy who gets on base.

Legit competition with his versatility for the last INF bench spot with France & Cronenworth.  Trading Margot made a glaring 2nd hole IMO vs LHP, because Hosmer has been such a liability the last 2 yrs vs LHP.   Moving Myers to 1B vs LHP is irrelevant; the issue is:  who takes his place in the lineup!   Now there are 2 "holes" to fill vs LHP with very few options.  France is probably the best one, but by trade is really "only" a 3B/1B.  Cronenworth is LH.  Velara could potentially play 2B vs LHP & allow "given" Profar to slide over to 1B, but is also the only guy of the 3 who could get spot time in the OF.  I'd put him > Gordon Beckham.

He joins Guerra as an out of options even "longer" shot, but think he'll be near the top in AB in ST so Pads can see what they have.  These guys either help 26-man O.D. or create roster spots for other depth claims end of ST if they don't make the team & have to go through waivers.

Espinoza to IL-60 before O.D. was inevitable, so timing didn't matter much.  Better to have 100% of ST to evaluate a potential "last guy on the roster".

Not sure your view of Valeria matches mine. In the past 3 years he has been put on waivers by 5 teams and is now 28. He seems like a AAA player good enough for fill on a call-up basis but not good enough to warrant a 26 man roster slot for the season ... hence the on-going DFA scenario.

If he beats out Cronenworth or France ... should say more about them being over rated than Valera’s talent.

Well, last guy on the roster comes down to team needs/holes & "fit".  For example, if Hosmer not a glaring weakness vs LHP & was in line to make 158 starts, hard to justify having a 3B/1B only guy like France on O.D. roster.  It's his ability to plug that specific hole that gives France the leg up.   In other words, put these 3 guys on 30 different teams and different guys would make each team.  Cronenworth wouldn't be "30 for 30" b/c he's a "better prospect".... Tatis would!

Myers fills the RH 1b role.

That leaves basically 3b only for France.

If Cronenworth can handle 3b and 2b...... along with SS that gives "him" the leg up.

France is gonna have to tear the cover off the ball to make the OD roster unless AJ just wants Cronenworth in AAA.

 

Everyone including the Press & to some extent the Padres themselves are saying "Myers the RH 1B"... it makes no sense....

vs. LHP it's a given Myers is playing, but we are down Reyes, Renfroe, and now Margot (I knew this surplus would turn into a defecit "soon", but didn't think it would happen THIS fast) in the OF.

So let's say OF is... LF Pham (LH but doesn't matter),  CF  ????     RF   Myers

Profar is already penciled in @ 2B vs LHP b/c LH Garcia can't hit them.

So... now we come to Hosmer.  I get Myers can defensively PLAY 1B , but now you have no RH OF to play RF.... just creating a hole elsewhere.

I think the likely outcome is that whoever the RH CF capable guy that makes team is, he makes at least some starts (platoons) in CF vs LHP only likely, and that the last "hole" to plug is Any Player, ideally a RH 1B or 2B, GOOD ENOUGH to justify removing 20 MM man Hosmer... I believe that right now that will either be Ty France playing 1B, OR Breyvic Valera playing 2B while Jurickson Profar moves to 1B....   "Stature" is a real issue though.  It's hard to remove Hosmer for France, even if it's justified.  A little easier if it's Profar who at least has more of a track record & past "pedigree"... but what's really happening in the lineup is you're subtracting Hosmer and adding... Breyvic Valera   🙁   Yikes!  But if I'm a Manager, unless Cronenworth is so hot he's batting .750 vs all handed pitching, I do NOT take LH Hosmer out for LH Cronenworth...

If Hosmer can't get to SOME level of respectability vs LHP, the solution does not obviously appear to be on the roster right now.

Even Mejia doesn't solve the "Hosmer problem"... b/c then you're adding.... Austin Hedges to the lineup over Hos 🙁

Given the current mix ... and Profar / Myers playing against LHP that exposes two LHH to LHP (unless France sneaks in at 1B).

So, maybe the first question can either Grisham or Cordero hold their own in CF against LHP ... no idea on Grisham and history is not kind to Cordero vs. LHP. If not? Lagares make the 26 man and someone (Naylor) gets optioned?

If France is not on the 26 man to cover Hosmer vs. LHP ... maybe some one off approach with Myers at 1B and the LHH with the best record against LHP goes to RF ... and that may be Naylor (might just put him at 1B and not mess with Myers).

Now looking at the rest of the offense .... they have some really strong lines vs. LHP ... so Padres could potentially go with a plus defensive option (although a LHH) and just tuck that player in the 8th slot.

Clearly no "clean" solution ... but if the dealings are not done ... a new RHH option (OF or INF) could balance this out a bit.

Maybe Lagares has a better shot than we think.  He did register a .743 OPS in the second half last year.

This outfield is a crash and burn waiting to happen....Cordero is a 40-50 % strikeout machine and will be on the DL....it's just a matter of when. This whole team is a hole according to most of you be we will make the wild card.....cough cough

Hosmer is a hole

2nd base is a hole

3rd base is ?....+

SS is a +....unless tatis gets hurt early

C is a hole.....hedges can't hit and mejia isn't a catcher

LF.....Pham...if he is so good why does he keep getting traded ?........he will be on the DL

CF is a hole

RF....Naylor....you have to be kidding

SP......+

RP......++

I am really hoping for 82-83 wins just to have a winning record but this set up that has to play defense and hit could be a 72-73 win team in spite of the pitching.....I sure hope I'm wrong about the 72-73 wins

Quote from Brian Connelly on February 13, 2020, 4:42 pm

Even Mejia doesn't solve the "Hosmer problem"... b/c then you're adding.... Austin Hedges to the lineup over Hos 🙁

Hedges hits RHP about .100 OPS higher than he does LHP... lol he cant hit LHP to save his life