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WHIT --- 2B/OF solves this problem big time-- career .853 OPS vs Lefties... just saying

Quote from 3fingersplit on February 13, 2020, 5:45 pm

This outfield is a crash and burn waiting to happen....Cordero is a 40-50 % strikeout machine and will be on the DL....it's just a matter of when. This whole team is a hole according to most of you be we will make the wild card.....cough cough

Hosmer is a hole

2nd base is a hole

3rd base is ?....+

SS is a +....unless tatis gets hurt early

C is a hole.....hedges can't hit and mejia isn't a catcher

LF.....Pham...if he is so good why does he keep getting traded ?........he will be on the DL

CF is a hole

RF....Naylor....you have to be kidding

SP......+

RP......++

I am really hoping for 82-83 wins just to have a winning record but this set up that has to play defense and hit could be a 72-73 win team in spite of the pitching.....I sure hope I'm wrong about the 72-73 wins

Jesus, 3finger... I hate to call you out, but holy balls... What POINT is there in being so negative? Is it a defensive mechanism? Are you afraid of being disappointed? After decades of bottom dwelling have you just flat out turned into Randy Quaid?

Why not HOPE that Hosmer upticks against lefties and cuts the errors at 1b?

Why not key on Profar's low babip and high hard contact rate last year in guessing that *maybe* he's in line for improvement?

Why not take solace in Machado's great away numbers and be optimistic about his chances at improving at home?

Why not.. I dunno... Not predict that tatis will be hurt?

Why not focus on the improvements Mejia has made and will hopefully continue to make behind the dish while emphasizing his positives at the plate?

Why f*cking be negative about Tommy Pham, who is demonstrably one of the better LFs in baseball over the last 3 years?

Why gloss over the potential of Cordero or Grisham in CF at the plate?

Why dismiss the possibility that Myers bounces back? Or that Trammell or Olivares forces their way into the lineup by mid season?

Why gloss over the fact that a man who was in the opening day starter discussion last year is now competing for the 5th spot? And that our best rookie sp in a decade now has been unleashed? Or that Lamet showed immense promise in his return last year? Or that Davies has fantastic numbers away from Miller Field?

And why breeze past the impact of having potentially the deepest and best bullpen in baseball?

A piece of advice about sports fandom... Forsake the cynicism and dare to hope, dude. If we believe and we're wrong, then guess what? It's just a f*cking game.

LOL

Go Back and read the comments....all I did was summarize other peoples comments except Cordero......at some point either he actually can do it or he can't and as they say.....you can't make the club from the tub and his strikeout ratio is garbage....it's time to fish or cut bait........I stand by those comments...tell me I'm wrong. It kind of sucks when somebody compiles what everybody else is saying or has said about ALL the holes on this team and puts it all in one post doesn't it ?.......

Gloss over the pitching ?.....I am the one that has been screaming NOT to trade any of these guys in stupid 4, 5 or 6 for 1 trades and that I believe Quantril is going to be a stud so before you decide to call me out go back and read what all of the other "fans" are saying.

Mejia is not a catcher and pitchers will not throw their game because of that but I sure wish he could play some outfield to get his bat in the line up

Cynicism and Dare to Hope...... You forgot Realism.....I've been watching the Padres since Westgate Park and have seen every edition of Padre baseball since then including ........"and playing shortstop....#11....Enzo Hernandez " may he Rest in Peace and guess what....after coaching and scouting over 30 years I still go to over 60 games at home and on the road a year so save your advice dude.....it's MORE than just a f*cking game to me......always has been. The Padres are what got me through a quadruple bypass last summer....I was at Petco two days after being released from the hospital and watched the Padres and Cardinals after spending almost the whole month of June in a bed and that was as painful a night as I have ever had  so don't you ever lecture me about optimism, hope and passion....you don't know the first thing about me.

This team won 70 games last year and I have said I am hoping, praying, fingers crossed we actually have a winning season with 82-83 wins.....I would call that optimism and the pitching staff will lead the way because you can never have too many arms including "thumbers" like Davies but I would love to hear how this team has actually improved on the field.....subtraction....Margot, Reyes,Renfroe, Kinsler, Green....addition......Pham, Grisham, Profar, Tingler.....does that change equate to 12-13 more wins ? I hope so

Machado and Hosmer will be just fine and even though pitching is different in the NL, these guys are Pros and will have good seasons. I have also gone on record and said that Meyers will have a bounce back season because Andy Green is gone. Meyers is a stud that can play anywhere....he started as a catcher and if asked to put on the gear in a pinch...guess what....HE WOULD.

Tatis is fun to watch and frustrating to watch all in one....all that talent, skill and energy. All he needs to do is make EVERY routine play and a few highlight reel plays and this team rolls but his love of the game doesn't allow him to do this because he wants to MAKE every play at bat, on the bases and in the field as he should but it does have a tendency to lead to injuries.....that's reality not cynicism.

Last thing.....I'm also a VERY LONG suffering CUBS fan because of my deceased parents and grandparents and being in Mission Valley on that Saturday night when the Garv stuck a dagger in the Cubs heart or on Sunday when T Gwynn almost took off Ryne Sandburgs head with a hot shot......and wearing yet another edition of Padres hat I was in heaven.....both of MY teams playing for the Pennant......I was in a "Can't Lose " dimension......Fandom.......I know a bit about Fandom and have lived Fandom but Baseball can be a cruel Mistress as we have all seen in the 21st century but as long as there is baseball then the Spring is Always the Season of Eternal Hope.

BTW- I never said to bring out the tarp and cover the field but that is a favorite movie 🙂

Looking at L/R w/RC+ splits for the past 2 years ... Padres have to consider sitting Hosmer and Cordero vs. LHP but both a plus vs. RHP.

vs. LHP: Hosmer ... 51; Cordero ... 56; then consider Garcia ... 56. Those are very bad results against LHP.

vs. RHP: Hosmer ...112; Cordero ... 125; Garcia ... 91.

Don't really see any options that will be better vs. RHP so who do that have to platoon vs. LHP? (Myers and Profar will be playing already).

France (96); Grisham (84); Naylor (80); Lagares (73) ... all significantly better but none plus hitters. Might open the door for another RHH upgrade but gives some logic for France making the team and subbing for Hosmer and Grisham in CF vs. LHP.

On the other side, maybe Garcia is more at risk than thought. That 56 vs. LHP is just bad and not really offset by 91 vs. RHP ... and somewhat defensively limited. If Cronenworth (LHH) shows well enough is ST he brings more defensive versatility .. and if France makes the roster (note he was and will continue to be worked as a 2B option) Garcia could be the odd INF out.

Lagares' offense is not compelling vs. Naylor's L/R splits ... so should have difficulty making the roster.

Sure setting up for Preller to pursue at least one add that is stronger vs. LHP than Grisham / France (maybe bump Naylor). With the ability to shift Profar or Myers to 1B ... some flexibility on the defensive side of that add.

 

Cronenworth seems to hit LH pitching as well or better than RH...at least in the Minors.

Last season in 126 AB's against LH pitching .357/.453/.587

In 218 AB's against RH pitching .321/.415/.482

Maybe this is partly why he was targeted in this trade?

Of course the Major Leagues may be completely different "but",this shows he has the ability to hit LH pitching.

Could play him at 2b with Profar at 1b at times vs. LH starters.

 

Quote from MrPadre19 on February 14, 2020, 7:50 am

Cronenworth seems to hit LH pitching as well or better than RH...at least in the Minors.

Last season in 126 AB's against LH pitching .357/.453/.587

In 218 AB's against RH pitching .321/.415/.482

Maybe this is partly why he was targeted in this trade?

Of course the Major Leagues may be completely different "but",this shows he has the ability to hit LH pitching.

Could play him at 2b with Profar at 1b at times vs. LH starters.

 

Sure seems as though Cronenworth has window of opportunity with a good spring .... IF he shows he is decent against both LHP and RHP (not the dramatic difference between that Garcia shows) ... he then brings a legit SS option to back-up Tatis without moving other players around ... and, of course, a legit extra inning / blowout arm to save the pitching staff.

Well, all this on how to plug the holes vs LHP sure confirms one thing:  The Margot for Pagan trade did upend what was a pretty nicely calibrated roster heading into ST.

Obviously Preller is hoping Lagares (or another RH CF in ST) can be a "close enough" approximation to what Margot would have provided.  Plus the improvement of having Pagan, of course.  We will see.

I don't love the timing of the trade, but still favor it, since I think Margot was going to be traded in the next 12 months.

It's "better" to have the hole/weakness vs LHP 25% or whatever than vs RHP as we did last year (too RH).  Pham & Grisham + healthy Tatis should help in that regard.  Hosmer should remain an asset there.  Profar very dubious vs RH last year, but definitely some bad BABIP luck... Garcia better but not getting 75% of the starts.  2B overall production all last year not a high bar to clear.

 

 

Quote from Brian Connelly on February 14, 2020, 10:03 am

Well, all this on how to plug the holes vs LHP sure confirms one thing:  The Margot for Pagan trade did upend what was a pretty nicely calibrated roster heading into ST.

Obviously Preller is hoping Lagares (or another RH CF in ST) can be a "close enough" approximation to what Margot would have provided.  Plus the improvement of having Pagan, of course.  We will see.

I don't love the timing of the trade, but still favor it, since I think Margot was going to be traded in the next 12 months.

It's "better" to have the hole/weakness vs LHP 25% or whatever than vs RHP as we did last year (too RH).  Pham & Grisham + healthy Tatis should help in that regard.  Hosmer should remain an asset there.  Profar very dubious vs RH last year, but definitely some bad BABIP luck... Garcia better but not getting 75% of the starts.  2B overall production all last year not a high bar to clear.

 

 

Seth Frankoff SP signed... He trains with Gore and are from the same hometown.. 31 yr old has been in Korea last few years.. Depth depth depth

Most of us agree we don't want to see Myers in CF (and his defensive stats vs. the others back that). However, there may be another twist ... Pham plays CF and keeps Myers in RF ... easier to find a serviceable LF against LHP.

Pham has played CF as recently as 2018 is statically way better than Myers in range (UZR/150) and in DRS looking at the past 4 years as a CF. Even an aging Pham has to be better than Myers.

Just another option.

I guess Naylor is down 20-30lbs.  Looked good in the pic I saw. Idk, if he tunes up his bat and is improved defensively, he may be our RF- maybe not the hero we want, but the hero we need! Haha