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Quote from MrPadre19 on February 6, 2020, 6:35 am

We may as well get used to Mookie Betts in the NL West for a loooong time.

Cause unless the Braves lure him away next offseason it's most likely he re-signs with the Dodgers....and if neither of them get him I would put my money on the Giants.

They have been "sleeping" Giants the last couple years but they are bound to wake up and join the spenders soon.

 

My money is on the Giants ... they are only at about $150MM in payroll and drop another $50MM after the season ... so working from a $100MM base ... so can handle a $40/yr deal without a blink and have money left for more adds. Plus after 2021 SF drops another $50MMish. Basically all the long term deals are ending and they are set up to spend to rebuild.

 

But the Dodgers can too and now have the advantage.

If they win it all he may move on but if they do what they do...win the division and lose in the playoffs,if the money is all the same I could see Mookie staying in LA to help bring tham their illusive Championship.

 

Quote from MrPadre19 on February 6, 2020, 7:10 am

But the Dodgers can too and now have the advantage.

If they win it all he may move on but if they do what they do...win the division and lose in the playoffs,if the money is all the same I could see Mookie staying in LA to help bring tham their illusive Championship.

 

MONEY ... MONEY ... MONEY. SF can (will) out bid the LAD. LAD could play but Friedman's history is go to a level and just stop ... see Harper and Cole. LAD has to look a bit ahead with Bellinger and their own players needing big contracts.

I think most will be surprised by the production of Zach Davies. Not loved by the stats guys who focus on the peripheral measurements ... most have him bottom of the rotation (if he makes the team) view.

Consider his CAREER stats:

At Miller Park ........... 323 innings ........ 4.55 ERA

AWAY ....................... 285 innings ......... 3.61 ERA

Playing at PETCO instead of Miller Park should get his HOME more aligned (or better than) with the AWAY stats. Not a small sample size. An ERA in the mid-3s ... and pitched just over 150 innings last year ... would make him one of the most productive middle rotation arms in baseball ... not a top of the rotation but way better than a #4-5 in the real landscape of pitchers ... not in the world of the computer.

Now after extolling his virtues if the Padres are not in contention and the Gore, Patino, et. al are knocking on the door ... he may make a very good trade chip at the deadline (under control for 2021 and relatively low cost). Remember to make the playoffs teams need wins out of the lower half of the starters and most teams either have (or will have) some major problems in their 5 man rotation ... they always do.

So hope I am right on Davies ... and hope Richards (FA after the season) is effective enough to generate some trade considerations at the deadline. Could be two very useful trade chips while cleaning out room for Gore, Patino, Quantrill, Morejon, Baez, Lawson to replace them.

Quote from 3fingersplit on February 5, 2020, 3:58 pm

That is the difference between the Padres and Dodgers.....they could absorb the money of both Betts and Price with money from Boston and players.

San Diego had to blink....paying 75-80 percent of Meyers contract plus players plus 1 yr player all for a ALL IN for 2020 would have killed this franchise for some years to come if they came up short this season.

If nothing else the Padres were just a stalking horse for Boston to drive LAD up.....Well played Boston and I say good job to Preller for NOT making this deal or falling into a very serious overpay......Time for the Padres to not only match the effort of their opponents this season but exceed that effort......Coach em up and turn em loose and battle.

Well said, 3fingersplit!

Unless the Dodgers win with Betts, they will regret trading Verdugo ... and I admit that they are more likely to win with Betts than not.

I think this makes the Dodgers stronger in 2020 and weaker in 2021 and beyond ... which suits me fine, as I think the Padres, while weaker in 2020 (due to not getting Betts) will be stronger in 2021 and beyond (due to keeping their prospects).  I still like our future.  I still think patience is best.  2020 is too soon to have high expectations ... I'm keeping my expectations in the mid-80s for 2020 ... but 90+ for 2021 and beyond.

Snag in Betts trade. Seems like it could fall apart. Might we pounce? Dodgers were giving up two of their starting pitchers in separate deals. Their pitching is THIN. Not really sure what they're thinking. The Angels side deal w Joc and Stripling never seemed to make sense but we haven't seen the return other than some dude named Refigno. But Joc was a 3+ war player only making $8mil. And Stripling is a solid piece. Let's hope the Dodgers give up more, or it falls through. Verdugo does not "scare" me as a long term piece for the Dodgers like Mookie does. And I'm hoping we contend this year and Mookie makes that a lot harder for us.

Quote from LynchMob on February 6, 2020, 8:04 am
Quote from 3fingersplit on February 5, 2020, 3:58 pm

That is the difference between the Padres and Dodgers.....they could absorb the money of both Betts and Price with money from Boston and players.

San Diego had to blink....paying 75-80 percent of Meyers contract plus players plus 1 yr player all for a ALL IN for 2020 would have killed this franchise for some years to come if they came up short this season.

If nothing else the Padres were just a stalking horse for Boston to drive LAD up.....Well played Boston and I say good job to Preller for NOT making this deal or falling into a very serious overpay......Time for the Padres to not only match the effort of their opponents this season but exceed that effort......Coach em up and turn em loose and battle.

Well said, 3fingersplit!

Unless the Dodgers win with Betts, they will regret trading Verdugo ... and I admit that they are more likely to win with Betts than not.

I think this makes the Dodgers stronger in 2020 and weaker in 2021 and beyond ... which suits me fine, as I think the Padres, while weaker in 2020 (due to not getting Betts) will be stronger in 2021 and beyond (due to keeping their prospects).  I still like our future.  I still think patience is best.  2020 is too soon to have high expectations ... I'm keeping my expectations in the mid-80s for 2020 ... but 90+ for 2021 and beyond.

Check out the 2018 numbers for that "dude" Rengifo.

Played at 3 levels..A/AA/AAA with a stat line of .299.399.452

"50" extra base hits and 75 BB/75K's in 500 AB's.

Impressively his numbers at each level were almost identical......so they didn't all come from A ball or the PCL.

Last season at the major league level he had 28 extra base hits in only 357 AB's in his first taste of the Bigs.

Knowing the Dodgers he's going to develop into a Superstar for them.

 

One way to look at the Betts "non" deal is that Preller stood his ground and didn't overpay.

If his job is truly on the line he had to have been very tempted.

If he had given in to the Sox and gave them whatever it would have taken and Betts paid off and we made the Playoffs he would have been fine....but if he hadn't paid off and we lost those prospects he may have been gone and losing those prospects wouldn't matter to him at all.

So...either this is not the defining season for his future OR he cares more about the future of this franchise than he does just 2020.

It would have been real easy for him to just overpay and get Betts and "go for it" in 2020(not to mention keep him from the Dudgers)

But he didn't....to me that says alot.

 

Quote from LynchMob on February 6, 2020, 8:04 am
Quote from 3fingersplit on February 5, 2020, 3:58 pm

That is the difference between the Padres and Dodgers.....they could absorb the money of both Betts and Price with money from Boston and players.

San Diego had to blink....paying 75-80 percent of Meyers contract plus players plus 1 yr player all for a ALL IN for 2020 would have killed this franchise for some years to come if they came up short this season.

If nothing else the Padres were just a stalking horse for Boston to drive LAD up.....Well played Boston and I say good job to Preller for NOT making this deal or falling into a very serious overpay......Time for the Padres to not only match the effort of their opponents this season but exceed that effort......Coach em up and turn em loose and battle.

Well said, 3fingersplit!

Unless the Dodgers win with Betts, they will regret trading Verdugo ... and I admit that they are more likely to win with Betts than not.

I think this makes the Dodgers stronger in 2020 and weaker in 2021 and beyond ... which suits me fine, as I think the Padres, while weaker in 2020 (due to not getting Betts) will be stronger in 2021 and beyond (due to keeping their prospects).  I still like our future.  I still think patience is best.  2020 is too soon to have high expectations ... I'm keeping my expectations in the mid-80s for 2020 ... but 90+ for 2021 and beyond.

 

Quote from MrPadre19 on February 6, 2020, 1:04 pm

One way to look at the Betts "non" deal is that Preller stood his ground and didn't overpay.

If his job is truly on the line he had to have been very tempted.

If he had given in to the Sox and gave them whatever it would have taken and Betts paid off and we made the Playoffs he would have been fine....but if he hadn't paid off and we lost those prospects he may have been gone and losing those prospects wouldn't matter to him at all.

So...either this is not the defining season for his future OR he cares more about the future of this franchise than he does just 2020.

It would have been real easy for him to just overpay and get Betts and "go for it" in 2020(not to mention keep him from the Dudgers)

But he didn't....to me that says alot.

 

It must have been hard for Preller to not go crazy and repeat 2015 but as I had said...the best deal may be the one you walk away from.

Boston wanted WAY too much in cash and players and Preller knew that. He also had the feeling that LAD was where Betts wanted to be all along....I still contend we may not have gotten the best of Betts for one year. If the price for Betts went up because AJ keep at it then I say great job.....Getting rid of Pederson, who always seems to kill the Padres, is great, Verdugo gone is great and the two that I think may bite the Dodgers are the loss of Maeta and Stripling because I see Price on the DL being paid a lot of money. This may turn out to be a case of subtraction by addition in a good way for San Diego

Coach up the young talent we have and go knock heads with the NL West....this Padre team will have a nice blend of veteran and young talent.....Spring Training is ready to start.....Let's light this candle 🙂

Betts has about $50 million reasons to perform in 2020.

I figure if he has a good year but not a great year(for him) he will still get a 10/300 deal but if he has another MVP type season he could get a 10/350 type deal.

Even though he is assured of a huge payday after this season to think he wouldn't benefit from having a monster year is just not true.

He is still in his walk year....walk years mean ALOT of money for a star player.