Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 21, 2019, 9:41 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on October 21, 2019, 9:25 pm

 

 

Still like the idea of Lucchesi + Naylor + Myers + + for Price + Benintendi.

There is NO WAY you are getting Benintendi out of BOS for less than Gore plus others. You could probably convince them to do Price for Myers, Luchessi, and Naylor. Benintendi is too vital to their on field success next year, and to getting them under the CBT.

Benny is a 2-2.5 WAR player with little pop (20-25) in this new age.. His OBP .350 is solid but he still only a .275 hitter with .796 Career OPS.. Lucchesi offere almost a 2WAR a lefty SP (a bit rare).. I mean lets not anoint Benny as the next Ted Williams.... Gore didn't move for Yelich who is 10x better than Beny come now! And Naylor's offensively is > Benny projection wise .. Just a better fit in the AL and in that small left field I see Naylor doing juat fine..

 

All things consider Myers straight up for Price is sort of ok for both.. Price still brings a bit morr value but at a much higher $$ so both have roughly the same -$10 mil sunken cost .. Myers does get them $12 mil + of relief against that Tax.. I mean I could see us attaching a Nix type spec (Bolanos?) To sweeten it a bit.. But a straight up swap not the worst trade for either side

Quote from BoosterSD on October 21, 2019, 9:45 pm

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 21, 2019, 9:30 pm

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So what are we hoping for in a line up next year.

Against RHSP - 1. Akiyama - CF, 2. Tatis Jr - SS, 3. Machado - 3B, 4. Dickerson - LF, 5. Mejia - C, 6. Hosmer - 1B, 7. Cordero - RF, 8. Urias - 2B.

Against LHSP - 1. Akiyama - RF, 2. Tatis Jr - SS, 3. Machado - 3B, 4. Renfroe - LF, 5. France - 1B, 6. Urias - 2B, 7. Hedges - C, 8. Margot - CF.

Against RHP.. 1. Tatis Jr SS 2. Lindor 2B 3. Machado 4. Dickerson LF 5. Hosmer 1B 6. Mehia C 7. Benintendi RF 8. Pitcher 9. Akiyama

Against LHP 1. Tatis Jr 2. Lindor 2B 3.  Machado 3B 4. Renfroe LF 5. Margot CF 6. Mejia C 7. France 1B 8. Pitcher 9. Akiyama RF

 

Ideally ... Anyway

There is NO WAY that Lindor is not going to raise a stink about playing 2B, to a rookie SS that is not as good as him defensively at SS. Plus, why would you want the inferior player at SS anyway. Additionally, Lindor is two years away from FA, and he is not going to lose dollars sliding to 2B instead of playing SS.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 21, 2019, 9:57 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on October 21, 2019, 9:45 pm

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 21, 2019, 9:30 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on October 21, 2019, 9:20 pm

So what are we hoping for in a line up next year.

Against RHSP - 1. Akiyama - CF, 2. Tatis Jr - SS, 3. Machado - 3B, 4. Dickerson - LF, 5. Mejia - C, 6. Hosmer - 1B, 7. Cordero - RF, 8. Urias - 2B.

Against LHSP - 1. Akiyama - RF, 2. Tatis Jr - SS, 3. Machado - 3B, 4. Renfroe - LF, 5. France - 1B, 6. Urias - 2B, 7. Hedges - C, 8. Margot - CF.

Against RHP.. 1. Tatis Jr SS 2. Lindor 2B 3. Machado 4. Dickerson LF 5. Hosmer 1B 6. Mehia C 7. Benintendi RF 8. Pitcher 9. Akiyama

Against LHP 1. Tatis Jr 2. Lindor 2B 3.  Machado 3B 4. Renfroe LF 5. Margot CF 6. Mejia C 7. France 1B 8. Pitcher 9. Akiyama RF

 

Ideally ... Anyway

There is NO WAY that Lindor is not going to raise a stink about playing 2B, to a rookie SS that is not as good as him defensively at SS. Plus, why would you want the inferior player at SS anyway. Additionally, Lindor is two years away from FA, and he is not going to lose dollars sliding to 2B instead of playing SS.

The whole idea is to avoid arb 2 with Lindor (I know he turned down 100 mil last yr) but would he turn down 115/4... He is due 17mil or so in 20..say arb 3 comes innat 25 in 21.. That would make buy out yr 1 35 and yr 2 FA 38.. Pretty nice package really and would be only 30 as a FA...

As far as position I actually think Tatis Jr at 2B would be best really. But he would need to be extended as well .. So why I think to not ruffle feathers you do it like I proposed 1st .. I mean is not like the league doesn't know Lindor is a GG SS wether he plays 2B or SS for us will have little consequence to his wallet... I think we can't really move Tatis Jr off SS until he signs his own extension (my guess before 2021 season) and besides is not like both of these guys won't see action at both 2B/SS and maybe even 3B as the new Manager gives them a blow

 

Just realized (if is Washington ) how that last word sounded 😆

Quote from JasonE135 on October 21, 2019, 10:00 pm

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 21, 2019, 9:41 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on October 21, 2019, 9:25 pm

 

 

Still like the idea of Lucchesi + Naylor + Myers + + for Price + Benintendi.

There is NO WAY you are getting Benintendi out of BOS for less than Gore plus others. You could probably convince them to do Price for Myers, Luchessi, and Naylor. Benintendi is too vital to their on field success next year, and to getting them under the CBT.

Benny is a 2-2.5 WAR player with little pop (20-25) in this new age.. His OBP .350 is solid but he still only a .275 hitter with .796 Career OPS.. Lucchesi offere almost a 2WAR a lefty SP (a bit rare).. I mean lets not anoint Benny as the next Ted Williams.... Gore didn't move for Yelich who is 10x better than Beny come now! And Naylor's offensively is > Benny projection wise .. Just a better fit in the AL and in that small left field I see Naylor doing juat fine..

 

All things consider Myers straight up for Price is sort of ok for both.. Price still brings a bit morr value but at a much higher $$ so both have roughly the same -$10 mil sunken cost .. Myers does get them $12 mil + of relief against that Tax.. I mean I could see us attaching a Nix type spec (Bolanos?) To sweeten it a bit.. But a straight up swap not the worst trade for either side

Akiyama and Dickerson are well within the realm of possibility for us. I think Benintendi and Lindor are just dreams. Benintendi's .268/.343 this year was better than anyone on the Padres not named Tatis. He is young and cheap. The Sox are losing Betts, they want to lose JBJ. Benintendi is the only OF they want to keep. They will not trade him unless somebody gives them an offer they cannot refuse.

Quote from BoosterSD on October 21, 2019, 10:12 pm

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 21, 2019, 9:57 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on October 21, 2019, 9:45 pm

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 21, 2019, 9:30 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on October 21, 2019, 9:20 pm

So what are we hoping for in a line up next year.

Against RHSP - 1. Akiyama - CF, 2. Tatis Jr - SS, 3. Machado - 3B, 4. Dickerson - LF, 5. Mejia - C, 6. Hosmer - 1B, 7. Cordero - RF, 8. Urias - 2B.

Against LHSP - 1. Akiyama - RF, 2. Tatis Jr - SS, 3. Machado - 3B, 4. Renfroe - LF, 5. France - 1B, 6. Urias - 2B, 7. Hedges - C, 8. Margot - CF.

Against RHP.. 1. Tatis Jr SS 2. Lindor 2B 3. Machado 4. Dickerson LF 5. Hosmer 1B 6. Mehia C 7. Benintendi RF 8. Pitcher 9. Akiyama

Against LHP 1. Tatis Jr 2. Lindor 2B 3.  Machado 3B 4. Renfroe LF 5. Margot CF 6. Mejia C 7. France 1B 8. Pitcher 9. Akiyama RF

 

Ideally ... Anyway

There is NO WAY that Lindor is not going to raise a stink about playing 2B, to a rookie SS that is not as good as him defensively at SS. Plus, why would you want the inferior player at SS anyway. Additionally, Lindor is two years away from FA, and he is not going to lose dollars sliding to 2B instead of playing SS.

The whole idea is to avoid arb 2 with Lindor (I know he turned down 100 mil last yr) but would he turn down 115/4... He is due 17mil or so in 20..say arb 3 comes innat 25 in 21.. That would make buy out yr 1 35 and yr 2 FA 38.. Pretty nice package really and would be only 30 as a FA...

As far as position I actually think Tatis Jr at 2B would be best really. But he would need to be extended as well .. So why I think to not ruffle feathers you do it like I proposed 1st .. I mean is not like the league doesn't know Lindor is a GG SS wether he plays 2B or SS for us will have little consequence to his wallet... I think we can't really move Tatis Jr off SS until he signs his own extension (my guess before 2021 season) and besides is not like both of these guys won't see action at both 2B/SS and maybe even 3B as the new Manager gives them a blow

 

Just realized (if is Washington ) how that last word sounded 😆

Yes, Lindor will laugh at 4 years at $115M. He is 25, going to be a FA at the age of 27! His bat is very similar to that of Machado, might be better than Machado by the time he reaches FA, and his defense at SS is better than that of Machado. Pending on what happens with the CBA, Lindor is going to want 10 years at $325M, which is why CLE will shop him this winter. And why he wont slide to 2B to play for SD and to appease a 2nd year player that played half a year, and can not play SS as good as Lindor.

Quote from BoosterSD on October 21, 2019, 10:18 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on October 21, 2019, 10:00 pm

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 21, 2019, 9:41 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on October 21, 2019, 9:25 pm

 

 

Still like the idea of Lucchesi + Naylor + Myers + + for Price + Benintendi.

There is NO WAY you are getting Benintendi out of BOS for less than Gore plus others. You could probably convince them to do Price for Myers, Luchessi, and Naylor. Benintendi is too vital to their on field success next year, and to getting them under the CBT.

Benny is a 2-2.5 WAR player with little pop (20-25) in this new age.. His OBP .350 is solid but he still only a .275 hitter with .796 Career OPS.. Lucchesi offere almost a 2WAR a lefty SP (a bit rare).. I mean lets not anoint Benny as the next Ted Williams.... Gore didn't move for Yelich who is 10x better than Beny come now! And Naylor's offensively is > Benny projection wise .. Just a better fit in the AL and in that small left field I see Naylor doing juat fine..

 

All things consider Myers straight up for Price is sort of ok for both.. Price still brings a bit morr value but at a much higher $$ so both have roughly the same -$10 mil sunken cost .. Myers does get them $12 mil + of relief against that Tax.. I mean I could see us attaching a Nix type spec (Bolanos?) To sweeten it a bit.. But a straight up swap not the worst trade for either side

Akiyama and Dickerson are well within the realm of possibility for us. I think Benintendi and Lindor are just dreams. Benintendi's .268/.343 this year was better than anyone on the Padres not named Tatis. He is young and cheap. The Sox are losing Betts, they want to lose JBJ. Benintendi is the only OF they want to keep. They will not trade him unless somebody gives them an offer they cannot refuse.

Agree fully, in order to trade you need to help the other team achieve its goal as well. Trading Lindor and Benintendi take both CLE and BOS in the wrong direction. BOS can not go through a tear down rebuild situation in that town, so they have to keep good cheap players while sifting out high priced players for cheaper options. And CLE is noticing that its window is closing, they need to keep pushing while they have this nucleus, before they will have to tear it down completely. I expect CLE to shop Lindor this winter and laugh at the the offers. Listen again at the 2020 trade deadline, and probably pull the trigger based on the offer and what ownership thinks is going to happen with the CBA.

Quote from fenn68 on October 22, 2019, 6:56 am

Akiyama is an interesting line of inquiry. The report indicated the Padres, Mariners, DBacks, and Cubs have scouted him (probably others). Have to rely on the Padres’ scouts on any players from Japan since the success rate seems to vary even for the better Japanese players ... the pitcher last season that was touted and signed with Seattle was so-so. Padres we “interested” but dropped out early in the pursuit.

However if the Padres project him to live up to his Japanese stats in the ML ... and can lock him down on a “reasonable contract” ... would fill a line-up slot with a bat to ball hitter / OBP guy to set up the bigger bats to follow.

Additionally if he is that quality hitter ... and with plus defense .. don’t see the need to platoon him. Rather, given the apparent shortage of FA CF and that shortage of even good ML CF .... he might make Margot a desirable trade chip (probably in a package). I know most on this site don’t favor Margot but on a WAR basis he was somewhere around a Top 10 CF ... has control / low cost ... and in some eyes still has upside. Teams that are really deficient in CF (like the CUBS) may see value in him. Remember Trammell likely starts in AAA and may be a mid-season call-up for CF if Akiyama underperforms and would still add the LHH.

LF: Naylor (hitting potential is too great to bail this early ... live with the D); Akiyama (3 year deal max on a 31 year old); Marte (should be on the market from PITT ... 2 years control ... can play RF and back-up CF at $12MM ... Margot in the deal). LHH - LHH - RHH would be good balance for the line-up. Renfroe as the 4th OF.

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On the other hand, would the Padres be better / safer in making the Marte trade for CF and sign Dickerson for RF ... both proven ML talent? Both also a everyday players ... so adds some flexibility in selecting the structure of the bench options ... maybe focusing on PH skills rather than semi-regular playing time talent.

 

Quote from fenn68 on October 22, 2019, 7:09 am

IF Martinez does opt out ... Boston has its payroll issue. Betts would be the focus in trade rumors but not all that sure Boston would move him all the cheaply ... more likely they will cut into the payroll by just giving away Bradley ... way too expensive for his offensive contribution.

That combo may make  Price - Myers (plus others) a feasible option. For Boston they gamble on Myers (3 year - LF/1B/DH) ... save some money ... but still would need a ML SP (Lamet?) and likely a RP (Baez?). Even with his ups and downs over the past few seasons .. Prices “value” is still high (a lot higher than Myers) so Boston is not moving him even with his contract without a lot more than Myers (and his contract).

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 22, 2019, 7:58 am

Quote from fenn68 on October 22, 2019, 7:09 am

IF Martinez does opt out ... Boston has its payroll issue. Betts would be the focus in trade rumors but not all that sure Boston would move him all the cheaply ... more likely they will cut into the payroll by just giving away Bradley ... way too expensive for his offensive contribution.

That combo may make  Price - Myers (plus others) a feasible option. For Boston they gamble on Myers (3 year - LF/1B/DH) ... save some money ... but still would need a ML SP (Lamet?) and likely a RP (Baez?). Even with his ups and downs over the past few seasons .. Prices “value” is still high (a lot higher than Myers) so Boston is not moving him even with his contract without a lot more than Myers (and his contract).

I am on the Red Sox chat daily... Bosox need to lower payroll yet reinvest to contend... Porcello is out.. Price is too Pricey (but like Greinke hard to move) and Betts is going to make $30 mil in arb. So a Myers + Naylor + Lucchesi deal for Price + Benintendi (price you pay to save $12.5+ in Payroll ($40 mil roughly over 3 yrs)... Makes a ton of sense to the Sox... They can still go out and resign JDM or get younger and go after Castellanos (at a cheaper cost $19mil per likely).... could still deal Betts and make a play for a TOR (either trade Betts/younger high upside trade) or a FA like Cole ($30 mil per) or Stras ($25 mil per) or more affordable options like MadBum, etc...

So basically Boston can revitalize their SP... in Cole + Lucchesi  out Price and Porcello (FA)... that is a HUGE ++ for Boston (even with MadBum)... They replace Benintendi + JDM (opt out) with Myers/Naylor/Castellanos so better depth and maybe even greater production not to mention the Betts trade (to whomever) to replensish the Farm... $$$ saved $20(JDM) + $30 (Betts) + $5 (Benny) + $33 (Price) = $88 mil Money in $30 (Cole) + Myers $20 + $19 Castellanos ... $69... Net savings $19 mil.. enough to get them under Luxury Tax... and can still move JBJ if needed.. Myers in Boston's smallish ballpark can play anywhere in that OF...maybe we can even include Jank in the deal to make it easier for them to part ways with JBJ...

 

Padres get a Vet Pitcher with WS experience to lead the young guns, Price should excell away from Boston and AL East into at least a (Chacin type Pad success version)... We can still pursue Strasburg  (cause Price only costs us $12.5 net+)... and we go with the JPN Shogo as our 2nd lefty ---

 

After deal-- and with a Stras type TOR added-- 1) Starsburg/Paddack/Price/Lamet/Richards... still have our stable of arms.. intact.. GORE/PATINO on the verge/// Lauer/Bolanos/Morejon for depth... thats a hell of a DEEP rotation with Legit 1-2-3 post season punch and thats not even taking into account a GORE intro to MLB -- he may be Paddack + as a Rookie as well...

 

LF Benintendi CF Shogo RF Renfroe.. 4th OF Margot... (could still pony up for Dickerson as well) Same IF C as of now

Pads Payroll after all moves still low $140's... adding Dickerson puts it into the mid $150ish... still quite reasonable.. and can actually keep it in that realm for the next 3-5 yrs as the window would be in full swing with such an offseason... after 2020 ($8 mil drops off Richards and is replaced by Gore/Patino).. after 2021 (if Trammell is who AJP thinks he is Dickersons $11 or so mil drop off).. and in 2022 (Price $35 mil drop off) giving us 3 different levels of $$ relief which we can use to extend Tatis Jr, extend Beny and possibly add a piece or 2 (also Hosmer either opts out saving us $20 or stays saving us $7mil as well)...

1. Tatis Jr SS 2. Beny RF 3. Machado 3B 4. Dickerson/Renfroe LF 5. Hosmer (vs RHP) 1B 6. Mejia C 7. Urias 2B 8. Pitcher 9) Shogo CF

Bench - Hedges C + France 3B/1B/2B + Garcia IF + Franchy OF+ Renfroe (starts vs LHP) OF + Margot (starts vs LHP).... well balanced hogh OBP lineup vs RHP our achilles... still have a superior lineup vs LHP who we crushed it against in 2019...

 

The ++ of Stras + Price with only losing Lucchesi is a huge SP upgrade for us when combined with continued improvement from Lamet and Paddack a healthy Richards and the soon arrival of Gore + Patino... could still use Bolanos/Q/Lauer/Morejon etc.. as chips to frther upgrade this squad be it in the offseason or at the deadline...