Quote from BoosterSD on March 2, 2022, 2:28 pm

Quote from fenn68 on March 2, 2022, 12:03 pm

 

So, how long with the players hold out (without pay) before proposing some painful concessions ... remember the last offer on all issues is from the owners ... ball is in the Union's court to proffer a counter. Owners are not going to negotiate with themselves.

From what I have read on MLBTR, the union has been putting money aside from within their revenue sharing dollars for a few years now to cover the lost players salary for just this instance.

So the players may not be losing money like we believe if this is true. So if the players are not losing salary, and the owners are not overly concerned with losing early revenue in 2022, we might see a prolonged start to the season this time around.

Which is not good for either side in the world of public opinion in the eyes of baseball fans, especially the casual fan. Both sides need to be careful, since it is possible that the casual fan will not return to baseball for a few years if there is a substantial loss of games in 2022.

Quote from MrPadre19 on March 2, 2022, 3:20 pm

MLB doesn’t have steroids and the HR chase to save it this time.

But they do have the under 25 Superstar set….Acuña,Tatis,Guerrero,Soto,Franco etc.

If only they were actually playing…….

Quote from WindsorUK on March 3, 2022, 12:35 pm

This definitely sucks.

How about all the people that work at the venues where baseball is played? Large number of these people depend on these earnings, especially after the past few years- any money kept aside for them?

The dilemmas of the selfish and privileged, eh?

Quote from fenn68 on March 3, 2022, 4:53 pm

Two “new” issues that we should expect to surface in the negotiations:

1. Owners will want to prorate salaries … as it stands now the salary for one week … but as the lockout gets longer … the issue becomes more difficult.

2. Player “service time” … not yet an issue but the current season spans about 187 days and the requirement to gain one year service time in 172 days on the ML roster. That is a 15 day “cushion”. However if the lockout goes longer and the available days in less than 172 … how do they reconcile the “full season” calculation as it impacts all players. One issue with the players who are expected to be around a full season … a bit trickier for a player going up/down.

They went through this during the pandemic year … but expect neither side loved that resolution and will just apply that.

 

Quote from BoosterSD on March 4, 2022, 7:19 am

Just saw a report that the MLBPA has funded a million dollar account for workers effected by the lockout. Looks like the players association is making a nice gesture for the stadium workers and clubbies, while also garnering some public support at the same time.

Well played MLBPA, well played!

Quote from fenn68 on March 4, 2022, 8:15 am

Quote from BoosterSD on March 4, 2022, 7:19 am

Just saw a report that the MLBPA has funded a million dollar account for workers effected by the lockout. Looks like the players association is making a nice gesture for the stadium workers and clubbies, while also garnering some public support at the same time.

Well played MLBPA, well played!

Apparently the teams are also headed toward a similar move. At least there is some thought about the little guy impacted by no games.

Quote from fenn68 on March 4, 2022, 8:36 am

Also in MLBTR the report is that FOUR owners voted against the final league offer being made citing it was TOO FAVORABLE to the PLAYERS! Gives a bit of a picture into the thinking of some owners. I guess the CBT was the big sticking point even thought the offer was a low $220MM threshold.

The owners of CINN, DET, and AZ (small market clubs) are not really a surprise but the fourth was LAA. The small guys I guess wanted a lower threshold and more severe penalties lest the NYY / LAD / NYM types just would not care and blow by the threshold. Unsurprisingly some of the big market clubs would be very willing to up the threshold freeing up their spending without penalty. Probably other monetary concessions are also issues with the small market clubs.

Although four owners cannot override the will of the other 26 in a vote … might have to consider that if four were against this clearly low ball offer … as the owners start improving the offer with more teams (likely small market / low revenue) began to shift to a no vote … maybe creating a stalemate within the ranks of owners without the necessary vote to move a better offer forward … thus prolonging the work stoppage?

I suspect at some point a similar divide will emerge within the union … with the leadership supported by the veterans who have made big money (e.g. Scherzer) beginning to get some push from players beginning to realize they will never make up the lost salary due to their age / end of career position or just the mass of “regular players” with short ML life spans.

So, both the owners and union have (will have) divides within their own ranks … just adds to the mess.

Quote from WindsorUK on March 4, 2022, 12:20 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on March 4, 2022, 7:19 am

Just saw a report that the MLBPA has funded a million dollar account for workers effected by the lockout. Looks like the players association is making a nice gesture for the stadium workers and clubbies, while also garnering some public support at the same time.

Well played MLBPA, well played!

That is good to hear.

Thanks for sharing.

Quote from MrPadre19 on March 5, 2022, 7:12 am

So these veterans making $10-$20 mil per season or more are saying they are “doing this for the youngsters”.

Well,those “youngsters” who have finally reached the 40 man are now losing obey.

How long with those “rookies” be able to hold out after finally getting the major league minimum?